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[Little Rik]

Don't forget that I already knock down the story that we suppose to be more advanced than the stone and cave people

No, you didn't.  The "negative" you listed would be no different if they had no technology whatsoever.  For example:

People can advance forward in a wheel chair but their body is ko.

Without a wheelchair, this person is still incapable of walking but with a wheelchair, he is able to get around efficiently and quickly.  His condition is not the result of technological progress, but his quality of life is improved by it.  Go back and look at your other examples and it's the same thing.  This argument is even more stupid than the original one about karma!  Seems like everyone else is progressing except you, Rik.

One of your main problem Ton is that you haven't got a clue what progress is all about.
You think that to create more things and technology equal to progress.
These new technologies help us to stay afloat and staying afloat does not equal to progress.
Progress only come when a step forward is not annulled by a step backward and that has never happened in this physical-material world and it never will because it is against nature to grasp peace of mind and happiness from physical-material things.
All it does is a temporary feeling of achievement that last very very short time.
As far as permanent peace of mind nothing.
There are rich people that got every material thing they can dream of but deep within they are very very unhappy.
On the other hand there are poor people that are much better off within.
Get real Ton.
Progress can only be within through peace of mind and a sense of bliss.
All the rest is not progress.  

The primitive people did not have what we got today and we do not have what they had so at the end
there is no progress.
These primitive didn't have money to buy things but there was no need to buy anything.
They collect fruit, nuts and grains from the forest for free.
They didn't have electricity but who need electricity.
They wake up as the sun rise and go to sleep when the sun goes down which is much more healthy than
stay awake at night like we do.
They didn't get sick if they go out in all sort of whether because their bodies were strong by eating natural food and do a lot of physical activity.
I could go on and on Ton but what's the point when I talk with a dreamer?