RE: The Official "Damned Trump" Thread
January 8, 2021 at 1:04 pm
(This post was last modified: January 8, 2021 at 1:09 pm by Aristocatt.)
(January 8, 2021 at 12:59 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: A greater percentage than would respond in the affirmative to a stranger over the telephone when asked that question - and an even greater percentage when it can be done out of sight and out of mind by someone else.
Did you miss the last four years?
I've been well aware of the last 4 years.
Give me your best guess.
And which politicians are going to sign on to this bill? Dems? Establishment GOP? Or is it just the Trump base?
How much more likely do you think it is that we will get a bill that proposes the killing of undocumented immigrants once we pass a bill that provides them amnesty and a wall is built relative to how likely it is that we would pass that bill before the amnesty and the wall are up?
(January 8, 2021 at 12:59 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I'm not contesting that this isn't how our system should work, or that there are still barriers to what they want in place - but those are exactly the things that you will be asked to compromise over - already are being told you must compromise over. Will...compromise over, if the past is any indicator. Otherwise, as the nutballs are pointing out, the calls for healing and compromise and the big tent are thoroughly disingenuous. They're not nuts in any sense other than my calling them them. They're the mainstream. They keep telling us, they keep showing us...we keep pretending otherwise. If it hels, my frustration isn;t aimed at or caused by you or any position you hold or any disagreement between any principle we might be likely to discuss. It's that we are intentionally blinding ourselves to this reality as it;s too uncomfortable to bear and we don;t have easy answers for it.
We worry it might be impossible to bring americas two halves back together forgetting (or wishing to avoid the implications) that we have already consistently centered white supremacists for every bit of our history as a country. We're already as together with them as we ever were or even could be., imo.
Just to clarify my position...
I think we can do better than compromising on a wall. I just am not finding your reasoning about why it would be a bad bill particularly compelling. If you want to argue that we can position ourselves to do better...I 100% agree.
And yeah...I know we are on the same team here broadly speaking. I am very aware of, and very concerned about the rise of white nationalism and at the more extreme ends, outright fascism, that has gained traction in the US, and also abroad.