RE: Question about meaning and perception of reality from a theist.
January 6, 2012 at 5:33 pm
(This post was last modified: January 6, 2012 at 6:00 pm by amkerman.)
OK so you formed your belief trough consciousness.
Do you believe consciousness is real? (Things that are real exists independently of our ideas about them).
Jerahmiah. We experience copper oxidation. The copper doesn't experience anything... The copper is not conscious, at least as far as we can tell.
Everything you stated Jeremaih you have experienced through consciousness. To believe that reality exists apart from your conscious experience of it is to believe that consious experience is actual reality. in order to believe that reality exists as we perceive it to apart from our consciousness requires the assumption that consciousness is real. if consciousness is real... there is nothing you can say to negate my argument (I don't think). Until you can show me an instance of reality existing without using conscious observation your statements are all the same.
you last statement describing God is pretty lame IMO. If God existed "in" the universe necessarily God would be subject to the laws of the universe, thus making whatever you are talking about Not God. You have created a personal "god" in your mind just so you can refute it. The fact that you are able to refute it possibly give you some false sense of superiority and intelligence. It's sad.
Do you believe consciousness is real? (Things that are real exists independently of our ideas about them).
Jerahmiah. We experience copper oxidation. The copper doesn't experience anything... The copper is not conscious, at least as far as we can tell.
Everything you stated Jeremaih you have experienced through consciousness. To believe that reality exists apart from your conscious experience of it is to believe that consious experience is actual reality. in order to believe that reality exists as we perceive it to apart from our consciousness requires the assumption that consciousness is real. if consciousness is real... there is nothing you can say to negate my argument (I don't think). Until you can show me an instance of reality existing without using conscious observation your statements are all the same.
you last statement describing God is pretty lame IMO. If God existed "in" the universe necessarily God would be subject to the laws of the universe, thus making whatever you are talking about Not God. You have created a personal "god" in your mind just so you can refute it. The fact that you are able to refute it possibly give you some false sense of superiority and intelligence. It's sad.
