The Brain=Mind Fallacy

[Neo-Scholastic]

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…isn't the memory of your grandmother physical in the sense that the memory has been stored…So is your point beyond that and you're asking how the brain effectively makes use of these neurons and physical data to experience consciousness?

Basicly yes, and more specificly how a materialist perspective allows it. What I offer is not a solution, but rather a critique of the dominant view expressed on AF. My contention is this. Materialism, as a paradigm, has no place for mental phenomena. I further state that it cannot even justify or support ideas like emergence.

You're saying that view that the mind is the brain, in the sense of it being physically identical to the brain, is flawed, right? I don't currently agree with the sentiment either; I don't see thoughts as being physically represented in the sense that they can be damaged, rather that the ability to produce them can be damaged…

My OP is a critique of materialist theories of consciousness. I do not doubt that minds and brains are intimately related. My point is that describing mental phenonmena as a purely physical processes is incomplete.

The mind is a product of the brain. Nobody's claiming them to be the same object.[emphais added]

A product is a physical thing. Show me this product.

…We are nothing but our brains in motion… they might as well argue that a hurricane can be separated from the atmosphere. IT IS A STUPID ARGUMENT… once our brain dies, we die….Woo is woo is woo.

Agreed. There is no free lunch. Woo is woo. I am merely showing you the woo to which you are willfully blind. Nor am I arguing that consciousness self-awareness is separate from the brain. It may or may not be.You are claiming that physical processes are the same as mental processes. The properties of one are the properties of the other. If you limit reality to four fundamental forces and their associated properties you have nothing out of which to build mental properties. Your brain=you statement fails.

If this is a way to try and demonstrate the existence of the soul I think is a wrong path.

No one is trying to prove the existence of soul or an afterlife, at least I’m not. Just as there are threads in which atheists argue that God is illogical, here I assert that a purely physical basis for consciousness and subjective experience has no explanitory capacity. It’s an empty theory. Materialists bear the burden of proof for showing causation or some other type of relationship distinguishes between sentient objects and non-sentient ones.

…whether materialism or dualism is true etc.

Dualism suffers from the same problem. How can a non-material spiritual substances interact with physical substances? Some kind of interface between the two is needed.

(Gif image of man slapping head)…You know, there are times where I've been tempted to just add every religious nut to ignore.

No one is stopping you from failing to examine the logical conclutions of your philosophy. Bye. Bye.

It's over when he refuses to justify his initial assertion, effectively making his argument vacuous, and continues to blather on with what is an obvious example of the fallacy of division

Learn to read more carefully. I carefully avoided this fallacy by introducing scale. The fallacy presented in the Wikipedia article prevents a very ill-defined concept of thinking that fails to distinguish between high order mental phenomena, like memory, and lower levels like sensation.

Like a creationist with nothing to say, he simply repeats prior errors without correction, and refuses to answer basic questions.

The error that continues to be repeated is mind=brain state, mind=brain state, mind=brain state. My critique still stands.

Well here is an article where scientists using MRIs read thoughts by looking at their PHYSICAL PROPERTIES.

So where exactly in this observed process does subjective experiece happen as compared to other observable brain states not associated with subjective experiences?