A pantheistic argument.

[Edwardo Piet]

Most of those forms also believe that the universe is intelligent or self-aware. I think that there is no evidence to make this claim.

I wasn't aware of that, I thought that there were pantheists who label the universe as "god" without believing that it is intelligent.

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I have addressed it repeatedly, without turning your "if" into an "is" your argument is DOA (for me).

The validity of my argument has not been refuted "If X is Y and you believe in Y then you believe in X" "If god is the universe and you believe in the universe then you believe in god". It's tautologically valid.

......and -if- two cents were a fortune I'd be a millionaire, pity eh?

I'm arguing for validity, as I have stated repeatedly, so obviously it's dependent on an "if".

But unfortunately it is not the same, remember that three line argument all the way back at the beginning of this....that's a glaring difference between you and I in what we mean by "god" or "universe". The thing in question is the same -for you-....but you have not compelled me to adopt your definition. That the thing in question is the same (for you) still has no ability to change the rob the word "atheist" of it's meaning, mostly because you yourself are ruling the word "god" into your statements.

That equates to saying when we both believe in the universe we don't believe in the same thing. But all I'm saying is "If X is Y and you believe in Y then you believe in X".

-and the universe as god, they are identical, correct?

They are both identically what we would call "the universe" not what we would call god. You appear to be equivocating.

"Merely"..... plus one shady premise,[...]

Irrelevant to validity.

an ambiguous assertion,[...]

I've explained my assertions repeatedly.

and a conclusion that follows only because it was implicitly designed as such from that shady premise.

Once again irrelevant to validity.

Which is why your -if- is incapable of making your point.

No, that gave me my point because I demonstrated that there was a logical contradiction between the particular sense of atheism and theism and therefore it makes no sense to say that I'm a theist merely by labeling the universe as "god" because we both believe the same thing, I just label it differently. A label is not a belief.

Doesn't seem to be the case from where I'm standing. However, if that were the case, If your labeling the universe as god (or god as the universe) doesn't mean that you believe in god, then why would my believing in the universe mean that I believed in god?

Because "If X is Y and you believe in Y you believe in X". "If god is the universe and you believe in the universe you believe in god". That's different to merely labeling. The point is that by believing that god is the universe all you're doing is saying god is "the universe", you're not saying that the universe is any definition of god. "God" is just being used as a label for the universe. God isn't being defined as anything else other than the universe, we are both simply believing in the existence of the universe, the fact I call it "god" and you don't doesn't change what we actually believe exists..

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The label describes the thing being believed in,

Yes, which in both cases is "the universe". Whether we label our actual experiences of the universe as "the universe" or whether we label our actual experiences of the universe as "god" that doesn't actually change the fact that we are believing in our actual experiences of the universe in both cases. What we label the universe as is not the same as whether we believe it exists. What we believe exists is not the same as what we label it as.

...now I know..I know..you keep saying "just the universe",[...]

Indeed I do. And I wonder how many more times I'll have to say it.

[...] but if that were so you wouldn't have required an argument in an attempt to manufacture parity between the two terms.

I'm merely making a valid argument.

Not that this actually matters.......because you have not even attempted to show that the argument is sound.

...because that wasn't my intention. As I've stated several times.