(August 18, 2009 at 1:00 pm)Retorth Wrote: I must say, from all the debating you've involved yourself with, you seem like a pretty patient guy and I truly respect that. I think it really takes a lot of faith and perserverance standing up for what you believe in. I think that is admirable.I try to be patient with everyone. Getting upset and yelling at each other is a total and utter waste of time and bandwidth. The Atheist Vs. Christian debate has been going around in circles for thousands of years. I think it's time atheists understand Christians, and Christians understand atheists. We are an extremely intelligent force on this planet. I don't see the point in arguing and screaming at each other about the possibility of an existing God, or a non-existing God.
Quote:Though I'm sure everyone here will agree with me that your undeniable faith and the resilience you show in maintaining your own stand is respectable, I just cannot register faith without any convincement. It's like the tales of lochness for example, people claim to have seen it and some firmly believe it exists, but until it actually shows itself, this won't be the case.I can understand you 100%. You are just one of these people that require solid evidence before you can believe in something. Well, I cannot give you that evidence, other than providing how the universe and life form was created at the beginning. I believe it took an exact science to create the human species. Even scientists are claiming "A perfect tempature was needed for the mixture to kick-start life".
1. How did "nothing" make sure the right temp was needed to create life form? Do some atheists believe this "nothing" was intelligent enough to create life form?
Quote:I know you mentioned seeing a meteor streaking across the sky when you asked your god for a sign of his existence and you interpret that as the sign. However, it could have just as easily been a coincidence that the meteor was in that path and would cross over anyway. How you can take that as a sure sign is just something I could never do.Yes sir, the story about the meteor shooting across the sky is a true story. This happened to me about three years ago. I don't expect you (as an atheist) to believe it. But atheists should at least take into consideration the odds of something like this happening to someone is extremely rare.
God may not send me another sign as long as I live.
I can ask, "Send me another sign, please", and nothing will happen.
Why?
1. Because it already happened once. God will tell me; "How many signs do you want me to give you"?
The sign I was given, I will take to my grave that is was a blessed sign from above.
And from the atheist point of view >>
1. If it wasn't a sign from God. Why not let me live my life believing it was? Why do (some) atheists get so offended by signs like this? Maybe it wasn't God, or maybe it was. No one truly knows the answer. But I have a strong-faith that allows me to believe God was listening to me on that particular night.
God does work in mysterious ways.
On that same exact night, I could have been with 500 atheists, and I could have asked for the same sign, and nothing would have happened. And the atheists would have said, 'where is this God of yours"?
Life just has way too many mysteries to dismiss God that easily.
