My reasoning in rejecting eternal torture/hell...

[The Grand Nudger]

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Don't be smug please. I am asking what "new" evidence Durant was unaware of as you claimed. That is a sincere, fair and reasonable question is it not?

More like a massive shift in the field since 1944. Not only have we learned, but the tools which we have developed to further it would have been (for him) the stuff of science fiction. For a very long time there was a sort of silent approval (at least ion part) to the surviving texts we have that make historical claims. Bible and a spade shit. We've moved beyond that. There really isn;t any part of the OT or NT narrative that hasn;t fallen, so I guess it would be much easier if you isloated some specific part of it that means something to you. Something that has to have value as factually accurate and historical.

I don't research mere assertions that something is there.

The irony..from a christian.....lol.

Don't you remember your post? The same things Durant says, and Jefferson, Locke, Pascal and even the atheist Wells. ("We are obliged to say,'Here was a man.'")

I'd rather see some evidence than have their assurances of what they felt obliged to do.

You mean like Locke, Jefferson and Durant? I'll take that as a compliment. The only thing they lacked IMO was a rather typical atheist cynicism, mistaken for the skepticismthat is healty and actually leads one to know Jesus as he is.

Intelligence is really no guarantee against gullibility. They lacked from between 60-250 years of human progress........ What jesus?

As J.R.R Tolkien said, "I know a legend when I see one." You apparently don't have his discernment.

Perhaps you didn't realize that I was mocking your previous statement, so you;re own discernment would be all that you have opportunity to mock here. Have fun with that.

As if that is all there is. Major straw man there.

As if what is all there is? You made a comment about how you thought a fishermans poem was super awesome (essentially). I don;t think it;s as awesome as you. Should there be anything else to discuss here?

Do try. I am.

Then begin, I;ve been dying to hear someone salvage this narrative, and I;m tired of explaining to every asshole that walks in with a hard-on for christ that it's been done-to-death.

Ah but why do such great thinkers believe? This question you cannot answer without beliittlling their intellect, which only weakens your position of course.

Believe what, that the negro is inferior? That the world is flat? On and on it goes. Great men believe many things, I don;t actually care what they believe. I prefer evidence.

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Entirely untrue. Instead of presenting facts you seem to question people's motives, claim all they have are opinions with no reasoning behind them, compare Hercules with Jesus when millions of intelligent thoughtful people see a vast difference that Tolkien saw.

I'm not questioning anyone's motives. Who's posts have you been reading? People once thought hercules was just as real.

You clearly are not interested in a serious discussion so I think I will move on now.

Okay.

Research it yourself?

Already did wasn't any evidence for any jesus, or days of darkness. Perhaps you have some?

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TLDR version


"Super duper people I totally think are awesome/you might think are awesome believed" doesn't cut it for me. Shouldn't cut it for you either, but you clearly have lower standards - you are a believer after all.