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Conflicting statements in the bible
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible
(April 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: 1. I expected the apologetic bullshit and you didn't disappoint. Others, with clearer heads, perhaps, have already conceded the point.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonabl...crucified/

Quote:So in Mark, Jesus was nailed to a cross at 9am the day after the Preparation of the Passover. In John, Pilate is about to send Jesus to his death at 12pm on the day of the Preparation for the Passover.

It's a plot device for a point "John" (or whoever) was trying to make. It is not history. But it IS a contradiction with the other 3.

Evening is the start of a Jewish day. Western society goes sunrise to sunset. Jews go sunset sunrise. The evening signifies a new day.

(April 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: 2. "Luke is wrong. " Yes..or Matty is wrong... but one of them is wrong which is the whole point. They contradict each other and believe me, finer minds than yours have tried to reconcile this one and failed.

Luke's data is wrong because it isn't consistent with Luke. This doesn't bother me. This is not a significant issue and doesn't change Christianity.

(April 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: 3. "I don't even understand what the issue is." Of course you don't.

Nonetheless, it is there...plain as day. In Mark "jesus" barely speaks, in John, he rattles on.

http://vridar.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/3...-nazareth/

Quote:here are also a few examples of John reacting to Synoptic precedents, making his preferred changes to them. John actually tells us why he rejected Gethsemane: “Should I say, Father save me from this hour? No, for it was for this purpose that I came to this hour!” [12:27] And: “The cup the Father has given me: shall I not drink it?” [18:11]

This is a literary response to a literary invention by Mark which John did not approve of. It’s a slap in the Synoptic face.

Similarly, John also repudiates Jesus’ meek silence before Pilate by having him engage in a disputation with the governor.

He also rejects Simon of Cyrene because Jesus is quite capable of carrying his own cross all the way, thank you very much. Jesus “carried his own cross,” John declares.

Now both may be, but one must be, wrong. "Jesus" either gabbed like a teenage girl on a cell phone or not but he could not do both at the same time. This is a contradiction.

John didn't "disprove" of it. I omit data as well when I tell stories. You're falling for a rorschach test, pulling anything out in the worst light possible. If these count as contradictions in your book, so be it. They affect nothing.

(April 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: 4. "The women show up, see, run back, and tell the guys."

No. Mark 16,8 - (the original ending before some monk tried to improve it.)

Quote:8 The women fled from the tomb, trembling and bewildered, and they said nothing to anyone because they were too frightened.

And verse 7? "But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you." The other accounts don't have them telling the people they pass on the way, do they? No, they run to the apostles.

(April 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: 5. But they are NOT the same words. They are different which means that there are contradictions between them.

Also doesn't really matter. My ESV bible doesn't match my NIV bible. I guess that prove that the whole bible is one big contradiction.

(April 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I am not making an argument that any of this bullshit is right or wrong. Understand that it is all literary invention. But it takes a particular kind of myopia not to see that they do not even agree with each other. I regard this as your problem.

There is no problem, mostly because they agree just fine. What this really sounds like is 4 people writing at least semi-independently.
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Conflicting statements in the bible - by Baalzebutt - April 19, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by swordwords - April 23, 2013 at 6:27 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 23, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Mononoke - April 19, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - April 19, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 19, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 19, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Plotinus - April 20, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 22, 2013 at 8:26 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 20, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 20, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Aedrone1 - April 20, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Kayenneh - April 21, 2013 at 5:56 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Gilgamesh - April 21, 2013 at 6:01 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 21, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by archangle - April 22, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 23, 2013 at 10:52 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 22, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - April 22, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 23, 2013 at 8:39 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Baalzebutt - April 23, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 22, 2013 at 9:29 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 23, 2013 at 12:00 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 23, 2013 at 1:04 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 23, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 23, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 23, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - April 23, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 23, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 24, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 11:40 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 25, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Baalzebutt - April 25, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 26, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 4:05 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Whateverist - April 29, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 30, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - April 30, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 29, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by popeyespappy - April 23, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cinjin - April 24, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 24, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 25, 2013 at 11:45 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by justin - April 25, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cinjin - April 26, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - April 27, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 25, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 26, 2013 at 10:13 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 25, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 26, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 6:30 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 27, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 27, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by A_Nony_Mouse - April 28, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - May 1, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tex - April 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - April 30, 2013 at 2:17 am
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - April 30, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 30, 2013 at 4:33 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Ryantology - April 30, 2013 at 5:09 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - April 30, 2013 at 1:29 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - May 1, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 2, 2013 at 10:20 am
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 3, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 5, 2013 at 2:32 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by ThomM - May 2, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Godschild - May 2, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 10, 2013 at 8:09 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Foxaèr - May 10, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - May 11, 2013 at 12:15 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - May 20, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by John V - May 20, 2013 at 4:45 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Sal - May 21, 2013 at 5:37 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - May 30, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 3, 2013 at 7:29 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Sal - May 22, 2013 at 7:53 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Sal - May 24, 2013 at 12:40 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - May 23, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - May 28, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cato - May 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cato - May 28, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 3, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 5, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 6, 2013 at 10:36 am
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 12, 2013 at 1:22 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Foxaèr - June 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Foxaèr - June 13, 2013 at 5:26 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Foxaèr - June 13, 2013 at 5:57 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 17, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Brakeman - June 6, 2013 at 7:15 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Brakeman - June 8, 2013 at 9:49 am
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - June 12, 2013 at 12:21 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - June 12, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Psykhronic - June 13, 2013 at 5:24 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Golbez - June 13, 2013 at 11:37 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Foxaèr - June 15, 2013 at 6:45 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 18, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 18, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cato - June 18, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 19, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 19, 2013 at 8:29 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by smax - June 24, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 21, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 24, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Cyberman - June 24, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Tonus - June 25, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Brian37 - June 25, 2013 at 7:53 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Savannahw - June 18, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Bad Writer - June 26, 2013 at 2:56 pm
RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - June 27, 2013 at 6:22 pm
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RE: Conflicting statements in the bible - by Minimalist - June 27, 2013 at 8:07 pm
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