(April 30, 2013 at 5:35 pm)Ryantology Wrote: The experience would not be a personal revelation, there would be ample opportunity to independently verify the existence of the manufacturing plant. I don't have to have faith in the existence of manufacturing plants to prove that one exists.
And many people claim to have directly experienced the supernatural, how are you any different than they are? Additionally, I have never been to a manufacturing plant, are you really suggesting that I should not believe that cars are created until I fly to Japan and visit Toyota?
Quote: As for the question of particular cars, invoking that invalidates monotheism.
No it doesn’t, if we were able to synthesize life forms in the lab that does not prove that all life forms we observe were synthesized in the lab. It’s the old problem of reasoning from the particular to the general.
Quote:If you were familiar with our playbook, you'd know that complexity forms no part of our argument. It is the theist argument that complex objects require an intelligent creator. It is the failure of the theist argument that they cannot prove the existence of this creator.
So you really are suggesting that a person cannot believe that their car was created merely because it is specifically complex and natural processes do not give rise to such systems? All people have to visit a manufacturing plant firsthand in order to logically believe their car was created? Really?