(July 28, 2013 at 6:19 am)enrico Wrote: [quote=downbeatplumb]Brain function can be observed with MRI scanners. That is the physical manifestation of conciousness the firing of neurons can be seen and in some cases interpreted.
Quote:Sorry to say but consciousness can not have a physical manifestation for the simple reason that is totally outside the physical arena.
Says you without any evidence to support your assertion.
We can see the brain function, consciousness is the output of the brain functioning, in the same way that shit is the end process of the digestive system functioning. Accept it and move on.
Quote:What you can observe with MRI are as you say the brain functions which have little to do with consciousness.
You can see what is inside the computer hardware but you can not see what is inside the person who use the computer.
Yes we can because it is the same thing.
Quote:At the same time you can see what is inside the brain but you can not see what is inside the one who decide what to think or do with the help of the brain.
http://blip.tv/intel-videos/brain-imagin...ng-1978665
Quote:It has already been experienced by thousand of people who had a NDE experience that as soon as the body and the brain die the consciousness take over and you are still alive without body and mind so to understand how the brains works it does not mean that you can understand how the consciousness work as well.
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.
Quote:neurophysiological processes must play some part in NDE. Similar experiences can be induced through electrical stimulation of the temporal lobe (and hence of the hippocampus) during neurosurgery for epilepsy, with high carbon dioxide levels (hypercarbia), and in decreased cerebral perfusion resulting in local cerebral hypoxia as in rapid acceleration during training of fighter pilots, or as in hyperventilation followed by Valsalva manoeuvre. Ketamine-induced experiences resulting from blockage of the NMDA receptor, and the role of endorphin, serotonin, and enkephalin have also been mentioned, as have near-death-like experiences after the use of LSD, psilocarpine, and mescaline. These induced experiences can consist of unconsciousness, out-of-body experiences, and perception of light or flashes of recollection from the past
http://www.skepdic.com/nde.html
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