RE: Believers!! Don't mislead people
June 21, 2014 at 9:30 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2014 at 9:37 pm by Muslim Atheism.)
(June 21, 2014 at 9:27 pm)Losty Wrote: I don't believe in any gods.
So am I, Allah is not God and I don't believe in God or Deity.
(June 21, 2014 at 9:27 pm)Losty Wrote: If you want to call yourself a Muslim who doesn't believe in god, you can do that as well. But I will point out to that a person who does not believe in god cannot technically be a Muslim.
Nope. . the Quran doesn't say that.
(June 18, 2014 at 11:26 am)Muslim Atheism[b' Wrote: Contention: Muslim don’t have to believe in Allah, Paradise, Angels, and all the allegorical issue that need further interpretation [/b]
Read together with verses 3.7 and 5.101.
This is the minimum requirement and it is the “interpretation provision” of a Muslim and a Believer.
Quote:The bedouins say, “We have believed.” (about faith, believers)
Say, “You have not believed; (about faith, believers)
but say, ‘We have submitted,’ (about obedience, muslim)
for faith has not yet entered your hearts. (faith beyond human control, not our fault)
And if you obey Allah and His Messenger (about obedience, muslim)
He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything. (ie. including paradise etc)
Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (any mistakes relating to faith)
49.14-15
Firstly
When Allah says “You have not believed”
It means, “You have not believed”
It does not means, “You have believed”
Simple logic, everyone can understand this statement.
Someone may argue that they have believed, but it is not according to Allah.
There are specific provisions to define the Believers, and it is not for human beings to simply claim that they are Believers.
Therefore it doesn’t matter if they believe or did not believe.
What matter is they obey the rules in the Quran, and what is related to the “practical aspect of life”.
Secondly
When Allah says “You have not believed”
and then, ‘We have submitted’
It means, there is a distinction between “Believers” and “Muslim”
It means, there is a distinction between “faith” and “obedience”
These two do not mean the same, and human being only be accountable for “obedience”, not “faith”
Faith is beyond human control, but obedience is within human control.
“Faith” is within the Allah’s jurisdiction, and “obedience” is within human’s jurisdiction.
There is no blame for what is beyond human control.
Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. (2.286)
Thirdly
When Allah says “And if you obey Allah and His Messenger.
He will not deprive you from your deeds of anything”
and then “Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful”
It means, one can enter Paradise even if he does not believe in Allah at all.
It can be wrong, but Allah said “Allah is Forgiving and Merciful”
Allah will forgive whatever mistakes that is related or may arise from “lack of faith”
Muslim only concern with their “practical aspect of life”
Accordingly, a Muslim is not necessarily the so called Muslim as we know today, the system of Islam is to simplify life so that the society can unite, not to complicated life and raising all issues and creating more and more division in the society. These people are sectarians, and "sectarianism is a religion". They are "religious people", whatever name they attached themselves to.
The allegorical in the Quran is for the hypocrites and disbelievers.
Quote:Over it are nineteen [angels]. And We have not made the keepers of the Fire except angels. And We have not made their number except as a trial for those who disbelieve - that those who were given the Scripture will be convinced and those who have believed will increase in faith and those who were given the Scripture and the believers will not doubt and that those in whose hearts is hypocrisy and the disbelievers will say, "What does Allah intend by this as an example?" Thus does Allah leave astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And none knows the soldiers of your Lord except Him. And mention of the Fire is not but a reminder to humanity. (74.30-31)
Quote:It is He who has sent down to you, the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded (by this reminder) except those of understanding. (3.7)