(September 7, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Diablo Wrote: OK, so you just ignore the bits you don't like. This is supposed to be a discussion forum, not a non-discussion forum. Anyway I addressed your points.
You said:
What I will say is I completely disagree with your statement that 'Scientific endeavour seeks to explain the physical universe and create solutions for the good of mankind.' There is nothing to support that point of view, it's species hubris.
Explain.
PS I'm glad I'm alive too, and all due to science not religion.
I'm not ignoring it because of any personal reason, but because it is not relevant to the points I made in the OP.
You can say science is not a religion because Christianity (or any other religion) does x, y, and z. Fine, but I'm not saying science should be re-evaluated because it needs to do x, y, and z or that it approximates x, y, and z in it's dogma, I am saying that science meets the same fundamental human needs as religion. Us debating what Christianity does is only an exploration of Christian dogma and that has nothing to do with what I'm saying and it will not advance the debate any.
As for my disagreement with your statement, my argument against that is set out in the OP.
MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
