RE: Belief and Knowledge
November 1, 2014 at 10:39 am
(This post was last modified: November 1, 2014 at 10:42 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 1, 2014 at 8:24 am)Heywood Wrote: What the evidence suggests to us is that our reality isn't all there is.....that perhaps effects in our reality can be caused outside of it.I'm not really sure that this suggestion is all that strong. That we do not know or cannot ascertain such a cause doesn;t to me, suggest that said cause must be "elsewhere". Was rain being caused "elsewhere" until the moment we hammered out the evapo-transpirative cycle? I think not. The evidence suggests that there is something that we do not know, not that something outside of reality is having an effect on something inside of reality - or even that these terms can be sensibly used when they are arranged thusly. That is a strangely specific sort of claim to flow from what is, boiled down to it's simplest - an invocation of the unknown unknown.
Quote:This something you would expect if God exists and maintains this world. MA basically said..."sorry bro....too fucking bad you weren't born before the discovery of quantum wierdness so you can make a prediction.....no prediction....no check mark". His position here doesn't follow. The evidence tells us the something. What it tells us is not dependent on a prior prediction.Sure, but it doesn't tell us anything about god. Had you (or anyone) made that prediction by means of christing before the discovery it definitely would have been something that science delved deeply into - the checkmark would have been given as it has been for a great many other notions. Ultimately, as you say, the evidence would still be what it is regardless of any prediction (or lack thereof) made, and what it is is still not "god" - so that wouldn't change. That happens sometimes as well. Something fits the evidence, predictions pan out...and then, mystifyingly, it tuns out that we were wrong anyway. In this case that;s not precisely the situation, as the predictions of faith are non-existent and/or unsuccessful - but had they been, we would have found ourselves precisely where we are now, all other things being equal. That's the unknown unknown for ya. Again, you'll have to discuss MA's position with MA.
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