Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?

Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!

Current time: May 11, 2024, 11:19 pm

Thread Rating:

0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
1
2
3
4
5

Thread Modes

Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?

FreeTony Offline

Offline

Member

Religious Views: Atheist

Posts: 736
Threads: 38
Joined: December 3, 2013
Reputation: 10

#26

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell?

January 27, 2015 at 3:35 pm

It doesn't stop there though. An omnipotent omniscient being designing the universe knows the exact outcome of any design he comes up with.

God would have known the exact state of the universe and the human beings in it for all of eternity. So he wanted the Fall to happen. He wanted to have to drown almost the entire human race. And he wanted to have to sacrifice himself to himself, because he had designed humans in a way that they would sin.

No matter how much Theists try and get around this, normally by just ignoring it, they cannot.

Any omnipotent being that punishes its own designs for their faults is just ridiculous, free will or not.

« Next Oldest | Next Newest »

Messages In This Thread

Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IanHulett - January 26, 2015 at 2:48 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Alex K - January 26, 2015 at 2:52 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IanHulett - January 26, 2015 at 3:06 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Alex K - January 26, 2015 at 5:09 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Faith No More - January 26, 2015 at 3:22 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 26, 2015 at 3:30 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by dyresand - January 26, 2015 at 3:39 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Dystopia - January 26, 2015 at 3:50 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 27, 2015 at 12:17 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 27, 2015 at 5:21 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 27, 2015 at 12:17 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Alex K - January 27, 2015 at 12:21 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 27, 2015 at 12:49 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 7:48 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - January 27, 2015 at 4:34 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - January 27, 2015 at 6:16 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 27, 2015 at 10:58 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - January 27, 2015 at 11:22 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Alex K - January 27, 2015 at 11:27 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 27, 2015 at 12:39 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Creed of Heresy - January 27, 2015 at 6:42 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Faith No More - January 27, 2015 at 7:49 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 28, 2015 at 4:37 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Creed of Heresy - January 27, 2015 at 6:27 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - January 27, 2015 at 12:46 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - January 27, 2015 at 1:07 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Alex K - January 27, 2015 at 3:17 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 28, 2015 at 2:23 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2015 at 3:24 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 28, 2015 at 3:21 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Faith No More - January 27, 2015 at 3:30 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by FreeTony - January 27, 2015 at 3:35 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - January 27, 2015 at 3:36 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Angrboda - January 27, 2015 at 3:46 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by professor - January 27, 2015 at 7:14 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Creed of Heresy - January 27, 2015 at 11:26 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2015 at 7:46 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2015 at 7:52 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Faith No More - January 27, 2015 at 7:57 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by professor - January 27, 2015 at 7:59 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 7:59 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2015 at 8:00 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 8:05 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2015 at 8:49 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 8:53 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2015 at 9:08 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 9:40 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Foxaèr - January 27, 2015 at 9:49 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2015 at 9:57 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 27, 2015 at 10:13 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - January 27, 2015 at 10:20 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 27, 2015 at 10:28 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - January 28, 2015 at 8:11 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Faith No More - January 28, 2015 at 12:28 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - January 28, 2015 at 1:43 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - January 28, 2015 at 2:39 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Creed of Heresy - January 28, 2015 at 8:02 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 28, 2015 at 7:51 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Creed of Heresy - January 28, 2015 at 9:55 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 29, 2015 at 4:18 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 29, 2015 at 8:25 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 30, 2015 at 2:40 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - January 28, 2015 at 8:12 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 28, 2015 at 11:14 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 28, 2015 at 2:25 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 28, 2015 at 2:54 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 30, 2015 at 8:58 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - January 30, 2015 at 9:31 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - January 30, 2015 at 11:39 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - January 30, 2015 at 11:53 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 31, 2015 at 12:37 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Norman Humann - January 31, 2015 at 4:35 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - January 31, 2015 at 5:26 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - January 31, 2015 at 1:36 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - January 31, 2015 at 5:38 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - February 2, 2015 at 12:29 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - February 2, 2015 at 9:01 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - February 2, 2015 at 2:44 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - February 2, 2015 at 3:00 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - February 2, 2015 at 9:07 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - February 2, 2015 at 3:03 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - February 2, 2015 at 6:33 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - January 31, 2015 at 8:23 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - January 30, 2015 at 9:54 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - January 30, 2015 at 11:21 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Clueless Morgan - January 30, 2015 at 11:14 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - January 31, 2015 at 9:04 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Faith No More - January 31, 2015 at 11:57 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - February 1, 2015 at 11:21 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - February 2, 2015 at 6:42 am

Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by KUSA - February 2, 2015 at 8:46 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - February 2, 2015 at 8:50 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - February 2, 2015 at 9:04 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - February 2, 2015 at 9:10 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2015 at 9:12 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - February 2, 2015 at 4:39 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Foxaèr - February 2, 2015 at 6:12 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - February 2, 2015 at 9:18 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by IATIA - February 2, 2015 at 11:00 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - February 2, 2015 at 11:47 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Alex K - February 2, 2015 at 11:03 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2015 at 5:45 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - February 2, 2015 at 6:00 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Minimalist - February 4, 2015 at 12:55 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - February 5, 2015 at 4:17 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - February 6, 2015 at 7:18 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - February 6, 2015 at 7:26 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by h4ym4n - February 7, 2015 at 5:44 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Tonus - February 6, 2015 at 8:26 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - February 6, 2015 at 7:47 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by FlyingSpaghettiMonster - February 6, 2015 at 7:58 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by robvalue - February 7, 2015 at 6:00 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - February 7, 2015 at 7:23 pm

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by The Grand Nudger - February 9, 2015 at 11:18 am

RE: Does Free Will actually exist? Is there a way to tell? - by Godschild - February 9, 2015 at 6:08 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread		Author	Replies	Views	Last Post
	The right way to be and the wrong way to be	Ahriman	57	4854	April 29, 2022 at 9:23 am Last Post: Angrboda
	Ever been treated this way? Strange Vague Story.	Disagreeable	18	1230	January 31, 2022 at 1:42 pm Last Post: Disagreeable
	Cold - either way.	onlinebiker	12	678	January 23, 2021 at 8:15 pm Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
	Are there any active, free, text-only chat sites that are still going?	Mechaghostman2	6	647	January 4, 2021 at 3:56 pm Last Post: arewethereyet
	Do femicides really exist?	Macoleco	27	1926	September 21, 2020 at 9:12 pm Last Post: Sal
	Tell me YOUR weather is this screwed up.	onlinebiker	5	662	April 15, 2020 at 12:59 pm Last Post: brewer
	There's social distancing, and then there's SOCIAL DISTANCING!!!!!	Gawdzilla Sama	8	821	March 24, 2020 at 10:53 pm Last Post: Fireball
	This is how bored I actually am	Cod	0	388	October 2, 2019 at 7:10 am Last Post: Cod
	The proper way to breastfeed in public	Foxaèr	21	1842	April 21, 2019 at 7:29 am Last Post: Gawdzilla Sama
	On my way now...	Brian37	53	3022	March 30, 2019 at 7:13 pm Last Post: fredd bear

View a Printable Version

Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)