RE: Ask a Catholic
May 30, 2015 at 5:34 am
(This post was last modified: May 30, 2015 at 5:44 am by robvalue.)
I don't know how much more clear I can make this.
If god is real, and he wants to communicate with me, he can come talk to me. He needn't even make an appointment. I assume he knows where I am, right? And I assume he is capable of communicating with me, like he did in the old days with people?
I don't deny the existence of beings which actually interact with me regularly. But I do doubt ones for which I've not seen a scrap of evidence that they even exist, let alone have any interest in me.
If he is real but won't talk to me, for whatever reason, that is his problem. If he no longer talks to people like he used to, then too bad. If he considers himself above me and I'm not worthy to be talked to, then he can fuck off. I'm really cool you know. If he wants me to convince myself he's already talking to me before he talks to me, then it makes on difference whether he is real or not. I may just as well convince myself my table is talking to me.
I don't give a monkeys if he exists or not, until such time he actually bothers to communicate with me in a civilized manner or demonstrates he is anything other than an imaginary construct.
"Angry at god" has to be the most ridiculous strawman going, and an admission that you really can't, or won't, understand our position at all. We talk about god as if he was real because we're demonstrating the conclusions that belief in such a god leads to. It's a form of reductio ad absurdum. It doesn't mean we actually think he is real. You can discuss fictional characters like superman, right? Or do you think they are real when you talk about them? We're forced to talk about the proposition because most people in the world believe it, however ridiculous it may seem to us.
Are you angry at Santa Claus?
If god is real, and he wants to communicate with me, he can come talk to me. He needn't even make an appointment. I assume he knows where I am, right? And I assume he is capable of communicating with me, like he did in the old days with people?
I don't deny the existence of beings which actually interact with me regularly. But I do doubt ones for which I've not seen a scrap of evidence that they even exist, let alone have any interest in me.
If he is real but won't talk to me, for whatever reason, that is his problem. If he no longer talks to people like he used to, then too bad. If he considers himself above me and I'm not worthy to be talked to, then he can fuck off. I'm really cool you know. If he wants me to convince myself he's already talking to me before he talks to me, then it makes on difference whether he is real or not. I may just as well convince myself my table is talking to me.
I don't give a monkeys if he exists or not, until such time he actually bothers to communicate with me in a civilized manner or demonstrates he is anything other than an imaginary construct.
"Angry at god" has to be the most ridiculous strawman going, and an admission that you really can't, or won't, understand our position at all. We talk about god as if he was real because we're demonstrating the conclusions that belief in such a god leads to. It's a form of reductio ad absurdum. It doesn't mean we actually think he is real. You can discuss fictional characters like superman, right? Or do you think they are real when you talk about them? We're forced to talk about the proposition because most people in the world believe it, however ridiculous it may seem to us.
Are you angry at Santa Claus?
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