RE: Hello everyone!!
November 29, 2008 at 10:44 am
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2008 at 10:49 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 29, 2008 at 5:42 am)Tiberius Wrote:I guess when you don't interpret scripture literally you can believe and disbelieve whatever bits you like. Or you see fit. Cherry-pick or whatever.(November 28, 2008 at 5:32 pm)CoxRox Wrote: Luke, I did say when we die, we are dead, finito. I don't think we go to a place in the sky. We no longer exist! Thanks for the info on the dna.Ok, now I'm slightly confused. How can you claim to be a Christian, follow Intelligent Design, and yet not believe in Heaven / Hell? Doesn't it go directly against the teachings of your holy book?
Or perhaps I'm misunderstood your position on religion...
Because the literal interpretation is the only really consistent one. And its obviously bullshit and a lot of it is immoral if you look at the old testament for instance.
With metaphorical interpretation and/or cherry-picking you can believe and/or disbelieve any number of the nonsense in the bible. You can make it fit.
With personal interpretation you can believe in God and Jesus and the holy spirit. Or only God and Jesus. And you can disbelieve heaven and hell.
And if by DEFINITION you are not a Christian because you don't even believe in Jesus, only God. And you think Jesus was just a man. Even if by definition you are not a Christian. You can still say you are, think you are , believe you are, claim you are and put yourself in that category. Even if others don't think you're Christian.
So basically how literal does a Christian's interpretation of the bible have to be? And how much does he have to believe in Jesus, God, the holy spirit, Satan and heaven and hell? To be a Christian? Where's the cut-off point?
When its about the definition of Christianity and someone claiming to be a Christian. What definition are we talking about? Who's definition?
Once more, where's the cut-off point?
And finally: How can we say that a Christian is someone who 'believes in Christ' when there are so many 'Christians' who it seems 'believe in Christ' who really only 'believe in BELIEF' in Christ. A lot don't believe in CHRIST like gravity. They have a belief like gravity that belief in Christ is a good belief to have. That faith can move mountains, and if they put their faith in God and Jesus then Jesus really is the son of God and God really is the Father.
Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.