So, I'm in the process of debating a christian on youtube with the help of another atheist, the christian is trying to prove god exists along with objective morality, but he's really confusing me, I'm starting to see contradictions in the very definition of god. For example:
God's omnipresent, but he's a person? To me, that makes no sense. One person can't be in two places at once, let alone everywhere in a specific moment in time.
God is everything, but God is love? To me, that doesn't sound like everything. Love is a single emotion, not everything in existence, and so therefore that definition is nonsensical.
God is a personal god, but yet billions believe in this "personal" god as one god? Is it just me, or does that really sound like the opposite of "personal?"
If god is all knowing, he has no free will because he knows what he is going to do in a million years, so he's not all powerful because anything he does in the future is limited by time. For example, if he knows he is going to move a mountain at 6pm tomorrow night, then that's what he's destined to do, and he can't change that. So, if he is all powerful, then he can't know what he's going to do tomorrow at 6pm and thus he isn't all knowing.
It's similar to the 'rock he can't move' argument. Can god create a rock he cannot move? Yes, then he's not all powerful because he can't move the rock. No, then he's not all powerful because he is incapable of making the rock that he can't move.
I'm sure these examples probably suck, I could probably make them sound better if I were on my meds. But these are some reasons why I feel 'God' is starting to make less sense to me. Theists say "Just keep searching and you'll find god." Well, I don't see that happening anytime soon, because the more I think about it, the less it makes sense. Even though I tell them I want evidence, not a "divine revelation." This particular christian I was debating became upset when I became more confused at the idea of God, that he said I was plugging my ears, closing my eyes and saying "Lalalalalalala!!! I can't here you, LALALALALALA!!!" Which is ironic for obvious reasons. No, the more I think of it, the less it makes sense. That's what's going on. Not me closing my mind. Why is that so hard to understand?
God's omnipresent, but he's a person? To me, that makes no sense. One person can't be in two places at once, let alone everywhere in a specific moment in time.
God is everything, but God is love? To me, that doesn't sound like everything. Love is a single emotion, not everything in existence, and so therefore that definition is nonsensical.
God is a personal god, but yet billions believe in this "personal" god as one god? Is it just me, or does that really sound like the opposite of "personal?"
If god is all knowing, he has no free will because he knows what he is going to do in a million years, so he's not all powerful because anything he does in the future is limited by time. For example, if he knows he is going to move a mountain at 6pm tomorrow night, then that's what he's destined to do, and he can't change that. So, if he is all powerful, then he can't know what he's going to do tomorrow at 6pm and thus he isn't all knowing.
It's similar to the 'rock he can't move' argument. Can god create a rock he cannot move? Yes, then he's not all powerful because he can't move the rock. No, then he's not all powerful because he is incapable of making the rock that he can't move.
I'm sure these examples probably suck, I could probably make them sound better if I were on my meds. But these are some reasons why I feel 'God' is starting to make less sense to me. Theists say "Just keep searching and you'll find god." Well, I don't see that happening anytime soon, because the more I think about it, the less it makes sense. Even though I tell them I want evidence, not a "divine revelation." This particular christian I was debating became upset when I became more confused at the idea of God, that he said I was plugging my ears, closing my eyes and saying "Lalalalalalala!!! I can't here you, LALALALALALA!!!" Which is ironic for obvious reasons. No, the more I think of it, the less it makes sense. That's what's going on. Not me closing my mind. Why is that so hard to understand?
If pinkie pie isn't real, then how do you explain the existence of ponies, huh? If ponies are real, then that's proof that Pinkie Pie is real. Checkmate, christians!
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Let's stop fighting and and start smiling! This is our one and only life to live... let's be friends and live it with smiles!
-- Book of Pinkie Pie 7:3
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Let's stop fighting and and start smiling! This is our one and only life to live... let's be friends and live it with smiles!
-- Book of Pinkie Pie 7:3