Here's why Creatards might be right

[jenny1972]

Here's what I'm going to do.  I'm going to let you reach down and grab a shred of dignity out of the wreckage you've created.

The idea that complex things -have- designers, in your experience today here on earth, does not provide a valid means of inference for your conclusion.  What this means...is that even if complex things do have designers....here on earth, even if your mal-formed opinion on the matter is true, read that again, even if it is true, this is no reason to conclude that there is a creator, let alone a creator god.   That's what it means, for something to be an invalid form of inference.  It means that the truth of the propositions are irrelevant - that even if we supplied the form with true propositions, we cannot trust the conclusion to be true.  I don't have to know, for example..whether or not complex things have designers....to state that you are plainly, demonstrably, and provably wrong.  

That's it, that's all there is... and all there needs be.  There's no difference of opinion, there's nothing to argue, there is nothing further to discuss regarding this claim.  Are you capable of acknowledging this simple fact, and remaining consistent to that acknowledgement going forward?  Do you understand what I've just explained to you?

no i have not been proven to be wrong its just your opinion that im wrong i think you are wrong and recognizing that intelligence creates complex organized systems and applying that observation to the larger picture of evolution and nature is valid . so i disagree with your opinion on that .