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The Hayter-Braeloch Scale
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RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale
(June 2, 2010 at 10:02 am)Tiberius Wrote:
Quote:It seems to me however that your scale is incomplete. You left out strong agnosticism and theological non-cognitivism.
This cannot be new to you since we had a fierce discussion on the strong agnosticism thing a while back that ended in your silence on the subject.
It's not new, I agree. However as I stated in the first post, this was developed a year ago. Regardless, this is a scale for belief; agnosticism comes in to distinguish between people who think God has been conclusively 'proven' and people who do not. Both kinds of agnostic do not think that God has been conclusively proven, so they both end up in the "agnostic" categories.
Of course what I meant with it hardly being new for you was the discussion we had on the strong agnostic stance as a valid stance on existence of god(s) not found in the scale you presented at that time. However I was not really surprised to find it left out again.

The strong agnostic position (in short the belief that it is impossible for humans to know whether or not any deities exist) is undeniably a position on the existence of gods and one that differs completely from weak agnosticism for it assumes absolute certainty about knowability whereas your usage of the term agnosticism (see your notes) refers to "questionable strength of the arguments". Lumping it in again with agnosticism, as you do in the above, is not consistent with the notes you supplied with your scale.

(June 2, 2010 at 10:02 am)Tiberius Wrote: Similarly, theological non-cognitivism is an argument, not a belief stance on the existence of Gods. Being a theological non-cognitivist doesn't automatically put you in a specific belief position, although I suppose one could argue they are in the "apatheist" category since they choose to remain 'uncertain' until definitions for God are giving proper meaning.
Theological non-cognitivism is not just an argument but a position on the god question, stating that the god word cannot be properly given any meaning and therefore that the question cannot be assessed in any meaningful way. If you don't want to hear that position, fine. But here your personal preference shines through. I doubt that a good researcher on this subject would choose knowingly to leave out such a position for his research.
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The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 8:15 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by mem - June 1, 2010 at 8:20 am
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