(January 31, 2016 at 1:01 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote:(January 31, 2016 at 12:43 pm)Whateverist the White Wrote: Yes, yes it does. I know you can start to feel pretty out there in a conversation with someone dedicated to their 'objective' belief.
LFC is dead-on.
But I agree, when they start arguing that their moral beliefs are "objective" while everyone else's are "subjective", simply because theirs are found in holy scriptures "from God" ("well, sure it was written by men, but it's really from Gawd, you see"), it's already a lost conversation. You can show them all day that theirs are just as subjective as anyone else's, and they'll never listen, because they're convinced of the legitimacy of their authority figure(s).
1) "The Bible is the Objective Moral Guide." (What makes you say that?, replies the atheist.)
2) "Because the Bible Says So and God as we have defined him is unchanging, therefore objective." (But your Biblical morality changes all the time, both internally--see Moses vs. Jesus' rules about divorce, Paul's new rules about Levitical Law, etc.-- and externally as society changes, such as the verses justifying genocide, women as property, and heritable permanent slavery for other races, not to mention the penalties for worshiping other gods, freedom of speech, etc.)
3) "Yeah but you have no external guide at all, so because you think you're just animals, anything is permissible to you, even baby rape and HITLER!!" (Um, Hitler was a Christian and the Nazis actively promoted "God is with Us" religiousity... also, we eat babies, we don't rape them.)
And arooouuuuunnnnd we go!
LOL, yes, the baby eating is very important!
And in Drich's case, the -next- step after number 3 once he realizes he can't argue against anything in number 2 (because it is STRAIGHT text from his own book), is to say: "yeah, well...I'm not saying God's moral code is -better- necessarily..."
Um....Yes, that is EXACTLY what you were saying. That was EXACTLY the purpose of your own thread, in case you forgot. How embarrassing! [emoji23]
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Wiser words were never spoken.
Wiser words were never spoken.