pop morality

[Drich]

I am confused a bit about your point in this whole thing

Finally! Thank you for asking questions rather than arguing points!!!

"humanity is flawed when it comes to deciding right and wrong."

agreed this is why we need to always look at ourselves with clear understanding as best we can.

But without an absolute defined measure (something that does not change) how then can we measure or judge
what we are looking at? It is only because we have an absolute value that we can judge distance, or a volume of liquid. Take these away, and each measure is subjective to pop culture.
Which again is where the Nazi illustration comes in. They did not see themselves as evil, but doing what they had to do to save the 'race/sub-species' and develop the ultimate evolutionary human being. Which my question asks if you grew up in that time what would keep you from being a Nazi? then I ask How do you know you are not one now?

This point back to God's perfect measure/absolute standard.

Then I explain this Measure was never meant for us to try and live by..

That is why we have atonement. once we accept atonement we are free from living by the 'rules'/morality to find righteousness before God.

"we need to atone to God"

Tell me how atonement is morality?

It's not.

tell me for certain that there is a god?

Their is absolutely for certain A God.

tell me how the Christian god is the right one?

He makes himself available for question/proofing.

then tell me how you are any different from any other Christian trying to get me back to Jesus?

I don't want anything from you. I'm not invested in you or your situation, I only offer what God himself offers, not through a specific denominational lens or one set of rules or another, but freedom from them as God intended (unless you need rules for him to make sense, which I myself don't offer but I can point you in the right direction) I don't think anyone else has offered you this otherwise you would have never left.

show me that what you are trying to sell is going to A) make sence in a real world

It's not. The 'real world' has a good cross section represented here. Look at all the arguements, look at your own. ALL of you only understand morality based righteousness. worse yet you are only willing to look at your own pop morality and judge the world on it...
I've been here 3 or 4 years and have been trying show you all the difference. we are 22 pages in and I'm still getting people tring to judge God based on their pop morality...

so make sense from your currect POV probably not. From where I stand I don't understand why you all would want to try and live any other way!

and B) give me any better understanding of how to be a better person.

That's the thing their are no 'better people' only those who pretend to be/fooled themselves into thinking they are by redefining and relabeling the evil they need/want in their lives.

All any of us can do is correctly identify our sin and not justify them, and apply the forgiveness we have been offered and move on avoiding said sin when we can.

The fundamental design flaws of this whole thing are the existence of a creator, the multiple theories of a creator, and what reason we have to atone for anything that doesn't harm a real being.

I don't know what you mean.