(February 4, 2016 at 3:33 pm)Drich Wrote:(February 4, 2016 at 2:04 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: It is in no way a stawman. I have highlighted a stance you have expressed in many, many threads to underline how many people this supposedly transcendent morality eludes. Atheists and theists alike.
From your perspective you have the "perfect" morality at your finger tips. Your interpretation is the correct one and it eludes almost everyone else.
How do you explain this morality not being so apparent to your fellow theists? Is that all self-righteousness too? Brave choice of words by the way.
I understand that line of reasoning might potentially lead to some unsettling questions and I apologize for any discomfort you may feel... but do not accuse me of evasion when I am directly addressing the issue and do not cry "strawman" when I cite views you have expressed in the past.
Its obvious, desperate and embarrassing for everyone. I have little patience for it.
It's real simple, as per the study I did in the book of Romans and as i have pointed out several times in this thread already... Every single Jesus Christ centered Religion is 'right' and wrong in what it believes at the same time. How does my 'stance' incorporate conflicting views?
As I have pointed out several times now, that in Romans Paul teaches in this freedom we find in atonement, we have the freedom to bind ourselves in the law any way we like, or we have the freedom to live completely part from it.
Jesus Himself also supports this idea in this statement: "Whatever you bind on Earth will be bound in Heaven and whatever you loose on earth will also be loosed in Heaven." Paul said "What ever you think a sin, (Even if it is not) for you it is a sin. Even though the Law may have freed us from it.
This means if you want to be a Methodist, and and yourselves with Methodist rule then by obtaining the atonement offered one is free to do so, and CAN be found righteous by Christ. Just like a Catholic or a Baptist, or any non denominational people... What will really blow your mind (if you can see all of this from where you will be standing) will be those who 'the church' would identify as 'non Christian' will also be counted among the saved! How can this be? Real simple. It's not what we do that makes us Christian. It what Christ did. Meaning Christ and Christ alone gets to decide who is and is not Christian. He has already told us many who think they are Christian are not, and we have 2/3's of our bible gives us examples of people who aren't that will indeed be there and ahead of anyone in the gentile church.
So tell me again about who should be embarrassed or who should be feeling 'discomfort' for his failure of basic comprehension, not only of the topic but of the term strawman and it's correct usage.
Just one more question ralphie.. Do you like apples?
No but I do need you to stop using the same laughing emote after three years. You should have the self-awareness to know how it makes you look by now. I deleted it and the insulting word salad that offered no information pertinent to our conversation. If you disagree about that decision I will welcome any valid justification for the presence of either. Otherwise; you're a grown man. Time to grow up. Pressing on.
Does this mean you are also both right and wrong or are you one of the few lucky enough to be totally in the right? If so why do you have that special honor when there are many others who have "right/wrong" views who put in more time and study?
So we're *all* going to heaven? Of course theres an "unless" isn't there Drich. That would be unless we break the rules. The thing about the rules, Christian morality if you will, is every Christian has a different interpretation of them. Even within the same denominations. Its almost universally agreed murder is wrong but even that has an unless attached to it by some people.
Let me give you a basic example you can relate to because its based on your views; If a Christian homosexual honestly interpreted Sodom to mean rape was wrong rather than homosexuality is he going to hell? If he is thats important. Because it means ignorance is no excuse.
You do get the relevance of that to the discussion, right? Because if thats the case from your standpoint alot of people have had their Jesus Christ get out of jail free card revoked and are on their way to one hell of a barbecue.
So no. Not a strawman. Nothing you've said has contradicted what I deemed some of your views to be. You may think other Christians are in the right to some degree but you have clearly demonstrated over the years that you think your interpretation is the most right. Thats important because obviously there has to be a line. A line where a Christian gets it more wrong than right. If thats possible what does that say about the communication skills of an omnipotent being?
Yes, I do like apples. I dislike mediocrity, stop trying to be insulting. You're not good at it.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
- Abdul Alhazred.