pop morality

[Drich]

You know that makes you an asshole, when you deliberately try to push peoples' psychological buttons in order to cause them distress and/or make them react angrily, right? And I don't know what "button" you think you pushed. I was simply trying to set you straight about how prisoners (typically) see the Warden. You're wrong about it. Sorry, but you are.

"the warden" is a term used to describe ultimate authority. Yes your right that not every person hates the man who holds that job, the idea or title that awards ultimate authority of one human to another is indeed immoral by every standard in pop morality except this one. Sorry if you can't figure out that this is tantamount to modern/regulated chattle slavery, but ultimatly that is not my problem. If the need for you to be right/expert, has you over look the same if not similar conditions 19th century slaves endured, then their is nothing I can say as you so expertly pulled your 'i was in prison card.'

While I'm sure your an expert on what goes one behind closed cell room doors.. at night.. But, unless you spent time in a 23 hour lock down for 20 years I'm going to have to ask you to put your prison card back in your... where ever they make you keep it. the analogy I used was place on a shelf above your pay grade.

They made us pin our ID to our shirt with a clip, if that's what you mean...

prison card as in race card.. the 'moral authority' to dominate a conversation because somehow your experience dictates the national experience.

but it's not, unfortunately. I did spend a significant amount of time in 23-hour lockdown, back in the first couple of years in jail when they were trying to force me to plead guilty to a crime of which I was innocent, but I had only a couple of months in the Hole during my actual prison stay, following a fight in which I hurt a guy pretty badly after he tried to sexually assault me. They actually tried to charge me with a new crime, but the local DA dismissed the charges as soon as they hit her desk because the guy whose skull I split was a known serial rapist.

what was his brand? Trix or fruit loops?

As to the analogy thing, I'm amazed--truly--at your degree of arrogance.

How is my arrogance any different than your own? do you really think that the whole prison system be served up by you meager experience?

I'm speaking to something bigger than you or my experience. something that has been documented and studied despite your inability to recognize it in your specific situation. which makes me wonder if you didn't just spend a few months in county jail...

Your analogy was perfectly clear and obvious to all of us: you think that people who are under the control of an "Ultimate Authority" will automatically chafe against that authority, and I explained (or tried to explain) to you that such is not the case, even with prisoners.

That was not the analogy.. That's your strawman, which is why I dismissed you and what you said in the last post. I out line a very real situation sub set in a prison that has a person feeling miss treated or wrongfully treated/specifically does not agree with the punishment.

That's just not true, either. Guys who get violations know when they're "good for it", as they say, and they do their time when they are caught infracting the rules-- as a prison law clerk (jailhouse lawyer), I dealt every single day with guys accused of Conduct Violations, and I learned that 99% of prisoners readily admit when they have broken the rules and are ready to accept the consequences of their actions. It's a movie trope which says all prisoners claim to be innocent; in reality, the opposite is true, and guys who claim to be innocent are mocked openly by other prisoners, even though statistically even the federal government admits that 1 in 50 are wrongfully convicted, and as many as 1 in 10 are incarcerated on charges more severe than their actual actions deserved.

again not the situation I laid out is it?
I was told that the adminstration knows certain trouble makers with in the population,they activly seek to violate them to remove them so they can work in peace. this specifically means pulling a guy even if he may have 'broken a soft or unspoken rule'. you are right those who openly violate the rules are generally good for it... however what of those who feel they are being targeted?

I have no doubt that there are some guys your dad sent to the Hole ("lockdown" means sent to your normal cell with the doors locked; the Hole is a special set of punishment cells, and are what you were referencing, above) who were unregenerate and resented being punished for anything they did, but it's just not the way things were for most of us unless the penalties were overly harsh without cause or the rules were arbitrarily and capriciously applied.

Your frequent references to some sort of abuse you seem to assume I suffered behind bars is a bit disconcerting, to me... I think you have some sort of male rape fascination. You should probably seek help for that.

yeah I'll get right on that.