pop morality

[Drich]

Open your friggen eyes!
What happened to the American slaves right after they were freed? Did they all move away from the plantations, goto collage and all become doctors and lawyers?  No..

Yes, yes, "open my eyes"....the mating call of the loon....

Many slaves went back to africa,

....nope, but that's a nice story.  

This is like shooting fish in a barrel
You guys are sooo stupid. (intentionally ignorant/avoid opportunities to learn the truth) It's truly frighting.
It's like you check your brains at the door, so you all can hold on to your revised/propaganda version of history.
I bet you did/don't want to know that Lincoln would have kept slavery alive if it meant the end of the civil war did you?

Ask yourself when have I, EVER made a statement I can not fully back? Why in your mind would this be Any different?

Have you Ever heard of Liberia, Africa?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Liberia

After the emancipation Lincoln tried to ship all the freed slaves to central America to start an American colony, but that plan was rejected by the black leaders of that time. Because neither the slaves one or two generations removed from Africa had any 'roots' there nor did the slaves who were several generations born in America. Then their was a push to revitalize an old Thomas Jefferson plan to colonize Africa with freed slaves. This had great appeal to those who themselves were brought to America or those being persecuted by whites/The KKK.

So again, Many Slaves did indeed go back to africa, enough to start a Nation!!!

Those who stayed saw themselves as Americans and wanted to live here despite whatever persecution they were threatened by.

Many more had to stay where they were because they did not want to leave their lives, their homes.

They were no longer property where they lived, in their homes.  An improvement.

A rose by any other name sport... Do you know what that means?
They lived in the same house/shacks, they work the same fields, they lived by the same rules, they were often paid the same. A piece a paper does not make a man 'free.' Nor does it enslave a man. Freedom is a state of mind. You can be 'free' in chains, and you can live as if you are in chains with the freedom to do what you want.

For these men with their freedom they returned to their chains. (this is parallels the central message of this thread, in that with atonement you can live as if you are free from God's law, or you can bind/chain yourself back to some form of His law. That is why their are so many different denominations)

[/quote]
Slaves don't get paid, there's no need. Just like you don't pay a horse.[/quote] Jefferson paid his slaves.. Or are you saying jefferson did not own slaves? Matter of fact many slave owners paid their slaves, in addition to providing the minimum, so does that mean if any money is exchanged for work these people were not slaves?
Of course they were still slaves. Why? because Jefferson's will superseded their own will for their lives. Jefferson did not compensate them with a fair wage in relation to the work they did. Their compensation came in the way of housing, food, cloths, relative safety and medical (such as it was.)
Jefferson, used small amounts of money as bonuses or rewards for completing tasks early or even as moral boosts.

Again, this money (like today) was not fair or proportionate to the work load these people had to do, but money has indeed been exchanged between owner and slave.

You'd be amazed at what you did not know of slavery, if you would just turn the tv off once and a while and read something that contains truth and history in it.

 So, very few slaves changed their lives but many moved back to africa......?  If you're going to peddle fantasy, you could at least pick a story and stick with it.  

So stupid... and yet you think you are the one who is right. Let me ask you this. If you could be SOOOOO Wrong about documented history, how much more wrong do you think you are about other things you have not researched like God, morality, and the like? If you completely rely on pop culture to inform you, how do you know you have not been duped by propaganda? (your beliefs on slavery shows you have been duped)

Again if I were ever this wrong about one of my core beliefs it would make me question EVERYTHING I thought I knew. But that's just me it seems. I'm sure you will ignore what I've shown you here and inside a week forget it in favor of whatever brand of propaganda cool aid you like to drink.

Education is not a universal fix we pretend it is today. Again not all are equal. Not all can be educated to a profitable level. For those who can't and have only known their vocation their whole life, then that is all they will ever be good for.

It isn't, and we aren't...and?  Labor can be paid an acceptable wage, we call it a minimum wage here in the states, some of us are working to improve it.  

Oh, my glob..
...And you don't understand basic economics.
So lets say we move all manufacturing for all the products we now 'outsource' and pay everyone a federally mandated minimum wage that allows them to live off only what they make at this job..

What do you think will happen to the price of the manufactured product?

Right now lets say some poor guy in china slaves away putting iphones together for 5 dollars a week. Now manufacturing gets moved here and the minimum wage is 15.00 per hour.. that is 600.00 dollars a week. that is a increase 120x s what they are paying now in manufacturing cost just in labor. Just looking at the labor increase do you think apple is just going to absorb a 120x s manufacturing increase? or will those savings get passed on to you the consumer? Now replace the apple brand with absolutely everything else you have ever bought or will buy, can you afford a product that costs 120x what it costs now? No you say?? So what is the federal government to do??? raise the minimum wage??? what do you think will happen to the product costs then?

Can you see why slavery is the glue that holds all economy of all societies together?

so ask yourself again is this always 'bad thing?' Again what of the slaves completely dependent on that 5 dollars a week, how will they survive?

What would you do/How will you or they live without it?

Your grandfather sounds like a great man, you must be what's left.  

What's left is someone who has not only seen the need of men like my grandfather, but continues to see men like my grandfather out working in conditions they would not have to if people like you simply opened your eyes.

Yes they will still be and work as slaves, but they would not have to work as chattel and die in their fields.

Regardless of whether or not all men have wanted to be free, we have abolished slavery and continue the work to eliminate substandard wages and working conditions.  Admittedly, there are holdouts like yourself who do neither and may even argue for the necessity of slavery or substandard wages or conditions.   Excuse the complicity of yourself and your god some other way, there's nothing for you here.

And that's why slaves still today work themselves to death, or work in jobs and places that cut their lives short. so you and people like you can pretend to be better men than your grandfathers.

Is it worth it? is your self righteousness/The right you take from your position, to look down at me worth the lives of the men women and children who work in the shadows to provide you with you way of life?

For me the answer is no. EVEN If it means I get labeled 'evil' by those who live by the rules of pop culture. To me that does not sound like an unfair cost.