pop morality

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There has never been a communist country as defined by Karl Marx, not one. So your pointing at China and Russia etc is of no real use. remember China is at this moment probably more capitalistic than the US and Russia and Korea they are bastardisations of the idea.

Their has never been a communist country defined by the book animal farm either (where literal pigs become the ruling class) so, then what's your point?

My point is the fact that communism always seems to break down into the 'animal farm pattern' (Per the two biggest examples China and Russia)  means that, that particular incarnation of communism is the only one that works/is viable in the real world, so marx ideas be dammed, because in the end his ideas are little more than idealistic nonsense, that has been tried for over 100 years now with nary a successful example to prove his model.

I was asking for One Example one proven model of society not built or maintained on slavery. Marx's communism is not a viable example by your own admission, in that not one society has ever established that version as a working model. the only working models enslave ALL people to the government.

My point is that any argument you level at Stalinism misses what I mean when I speak of communism. That until now communism has devolved into Stalinism because until recently Soviet countries would exert undo influence over any burgeoning communist country because they would need protection from commie hating idiots in the USA. Countries don't change in isolation,n they exist in a wider world and subject to influences. It is a nuanced thing so obviously above the heads of people who deal in black and white only.