pop morality

[Drich]

Their has never been a communist country defined by the book animal farm either (where literal pigs become the ruling class) so, then what's your point?

My point is the fact that communism always seems to break down into the 'animal farm pattern' (Per the two biggest examples China and Russia)  means that, that particular incarnation of communism is the only one that works/is viable in the real world, so marx ideas be dammed, because in the end his ideas are little more than idealistic nonsense, that has been tried for over 100 years now with nary a successful example to prove his model.

I was asking for One Example one proven model of society not built or maintained on slavery. Marx's communism is not a viable example by your own admission, in that not one society has ever established that version as a working model. the only working models enslave ALL people to the government.

My point is that any argument you level at Stalinism misses what I mean when I speak of communism. That until now communism has devolved into Stalinism because until recently Soviet countries would exert undo influence over any burgeoning communist country because they would need protection from commie hating idiots in the USA. Countries don't change in isolation,n they exist in a wider world and subject to influences. It is a nuanced thing so obviously above the heads of people who deal in black and white only.

what you don't seem to get is russia and china combined do not need the permission of the US or anyone else to pull off anything they want to do. China especially because the US is not the world power it was in the 1950s or even 1990s. China holds the keys to the US.

The countries that have adopted communism in it's present form do so because it works the way they want it to work, and these countries have the power and authority to maintain that working model. Blame the US all you want for your failed hero's junkie ideology, but know it is not the US who maintains communism in it's present form. It's present form is the natural progression of communism/It's natural evolutionary form when the power of a nation is filter though a very small ruling class.

What has happened in russia and China will inevitable be what will happen each and in every instance communism is tried. History has proven this statement for more than 100 years without even 1 successful working model of marxist communism according to your own admission. Again blame the west if you wish, but know the world does not operate in a vacuum where the politics of other countries does not effect your own. Therefore if Marxist Communism can not survive outside the bubble or vacuum of theory, then it will never be viable for any use other than toilet paper.