(February 25, 2016 at 5:51 pm)Drich Wrote:(February 25, 2016 at 12:51 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Drich Wrote:[url=http://atheistforums.org/post-1210279.html#pid1210279][/url]
If we could then he would no longer be God... However God has provided a path that if anyone were to follow would indeed Find Him.
I can promise you we (all bible believeing people Jew and Christian alike) agree on what God is.
God is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and end to all Things.
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I fail miserably at the quote function 9 times out of 10, so I just cut and pasted.
Interested in the purple bolded above. Drippy. If we could demonstrate that God exists, he would no longer be God.
Elaborate on that a bit. Because it's a major premise of mine for atheism.
Quote:God wants ALL PEOPLE to know him.
However, all we have had to go by for the last 2000+ years at least is a set of highly flawed books and a bunch of priests/preachers.
Quote: These preachers have managed to convince much less than 1/4 of the people on the planet. (Actually, if you only count the Catholics, who are the only people going to heaven according to Pope Benedict, the number is 16%.) This, by itself, is a completely useless system for telling a population "hey folks, I'm here". In another post, someone pointed out that god shouldn't need prophets OR books. God is omniscient and omnipotent. A creature with those attributes wouldn't fuck up sending a simple message THIS BADLY. And in our day and age, a 10-year-old on Facebook can get a credible message to every nation on earth. So your god is a complete communications failure, but if we could prove he exists, he wouldn't be god anymore? Say what?
...And the above statement is why we have the OT...
Think of sunday school or maybe even to the "ten commandments movie" with NRA guy.. 'bright eyes.'
How much more absolute assurance do you think a people could have after witnessing the plagues, the parting of the red sea, the stone tablets that God himself wrote on, water out of stones, mirical healing by looking at a bronze snake on a pole, and on and on and on and on...
Yet these people (millions who witnessed all of this together) doubted God at each and every turn.
In that, know God does not want to 'know everyone.' He only wants a relationship with those who seek one from Him.
Yawn. Another sermon. Figures. I listened to this bullshit for 46 years, I've had more than enough.
"How much more absolute assurance do you think a people could have after witnessing the plagues, the parting of the red sea, the stone tablets that God himself wrote on, water out of stones, mirical healing by looking at a bronze snake on a pole, and on and on and on and on... Yet these people (millions who witnessed all of this together) doubted God at each and every turn."
Yeah, that tends to happen when you have a bunch of fairy tales, created many years after the fact, about things that didn't happen.
"In that, know God does not want to 'know everyone.' He only wants a relationship with those who seek one from Him."
Yep. More or less. If you think your deity exists, that is. It's kind of funny how the church prays for the time when "every knee will bow" but gets absolutely orgasmic over descriptions of the destruction of non-believers, where the blood will rise "to the horses' bridles". (I guess we're going to be in a dystopia of sorts where there won't be any cars or tanks or planes.) Your god apparently only wants the select few, so he can jerk off to the eternal screams of tens of billions of human souls that he gets to torture forever, either because of his gross incompetence, or because he actually planned the torture for his own pleasure.
No thanks. It's quite a comfort to me to believe that your hideous sadistic evil god doesn't exist. I think the worst curse anyone could send your way is this: May you meet your god someday.
And now I REALLY know better than to ask the drooling drippy doodle preechur any questions, ever again. Thanks.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein