(March 17, 2016 at 6:34 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: 1) There is no such thing as "God's Morality"Indeed. As 'morality' assimilates sin into it's version of good.
Quote:, only people who claim to be in touch with the Almighty Creator of the Universe,Meaning, those who have read their bibles.
Quote:in astonishing (and mutually exclusive) displays of hubris... including using "smart" in quotations because you consider that insulting.The "smart" quotes or the not so 'smaught' tags are meant to separate your meaning of a word from how it is being defined.
Quote:2) I'm not asking you to exchange anything for anything. We're all here pointing out to you that there's no difference, despite your delusions to the contrary, between what you call God's Morality and that invented by humans. You just won't listen, or else you dodge.But again there is... The difference being all morality is works based. Morality is based on action or inaction. Righteousness "God's Morality" (as you put it) has nothing to do with how we handle a given situation.
Quote:3) We don't "justify sin"; we justify all behaviors, or we don't do them..That's not true. Look at Homosexuality, and the whole culture of arguments based on why this is a viable accepted life style.
A life style that would not be so widely accepted if not for those very justifications/arguements.
Quote:that's the entire basis of ethical behavior. We simply don't consider it to BE a sin if Vishnu says I can't eat beef but I still like hamburgers. But in your astounding arrogance, you act as if only one god is making (imaginary) demands of the human species, via His/Her Human Spokespersons.Says the douche who wants to pretend that the predominate philosophies of today has permeated mankind since our first civilization. When in fact we are not even one generation removed from checking our behavior with some sort of deity.
Quote:4) Since, in your mind, "My Deity is the Only Deity", you get to pretend to yourself that we're just in defiance of YOUR deity, when the truth is you're in just as much defiance to the sins-list of every other god out there. But you don't care, right? Because you know they don't really exist. Well, Vishnu and Jehovah are exactly as real as each other-- and their lists of sins are exactly as much a consideration in my daily activities. That is to say, of course, zero.Glad you brought this point up. Why? because I want to demonstrate what a person's counter arguement would be if they truly thought a God to be false....
Did you see it? Here allow me to demonstrate again...
Do you see why your 'objections' fall of deaf ears? because you have objection specific to the God of the bible. If you Really had no doubt that God was not real their would be no argument. (me thinks, he doth protest too much...)
Quote:5) The concept of what YHWH wants of His People has changed radically over the centuries, even according to the Wholly Babble you worship... from slavery to the "place" of women, very few denominations follow the original (Kudos to Fred Phelps and crew of the Westboro Baptist Church, as they seem to be the only Christians out there Keeping It Real with respect to what the Bible commands-- sure, everyone else thinks they're barbaric scumbags, even their fellow Christians, but hey) version of What God Wants, and the excising of numerous bits of Levitical law and Hebrew religious culture when the Christians took over was even more radical. It's as human-made, human-interpreted, and human-culture-altered as anything else on the planet, and you're either delusional or willfully blind if you can't look around and see that.Maybe olde freddy doesn't have Galatians 2 in his bible. Where clearly Paul even rebukes Peter for trying to live by the old law...
Quote:Or do you truly think YOU are the only one who Truly Understands the Word and Will of God?What makes you think I am the only one? Just because I am the only one here who teaches what i specifically teach?
Understand that in what the bible teaches their is freedom to understand as much as a Humble child in sunday school truly seeking God, or as little as the pope who creates catholic doctrine.
Both CAN be equally 'right' before God about what they/we do and do not understand.
Quote:As for vicarious blood atonement, I'm as disgusted by you barbarians who think that kind of magic is a real thing as I am by the Santaria chicken-slaughterers. Seriously, it blows me away that you can simultaneously be that barbaric and consider yourselves to have divine insight-- if there is a God(dess), I have little doubt (s)he would be more angry with you and your ilk than with infidels like us.yes, yes you are impressively self righteous, few have attained your mastery!
I mean:
I-am-very-intimidated-by-what-you-have-said-here. Your-point-about-God-and-the-blood-of-Christ-has,-in-the-history-of-the-church-never-been-brought-up-ever. Either-by-an-athesit-or-muslim-ever,-and-I-canot-or-do-not-want-to-respond. (Your choice)