pop morality

[Drich]

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That's the thing... There is nothing special about me outside of the fact I found and followed the directions to God in the bible. What God gave me is promised to everyone who simply Humble themselves before Him.

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... And where is praying in church or looking for God in Church for that matter found in the bible?
Not that one can't find Him there, it's just Religion is a double edged sword/tool. yes it can help you cut to the core understandings of God, but it can also be used to cut you back/keep you from growning past the doctrines of said church. If God is found outside those Doctrine then those in the church will never experience Him.

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You mean the type of people Jesus was admonished for spending time with by the 'church goers/church leaders' of His day?
Do that really surprise you? God gives mercy to the humble not the proud. Far tooo often it is those who have sinned deeply know the humility needed to properly approach God. While those who think they have found Him are too proud of themselves to be the people they need to be to ever know God.

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The gifts are outlined in 1 cor 12. All anyone has to do is find the gift on the list and test it using the bible as your answer key. If the gift exceeds what the bible says, then it is not a 'Spiritual gift.'
Easy-peasy.

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says... who?

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what are you talking about all noses are in the air (ones that breath are anyway.) where would you think my nose would be in a glass of water?

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Actually they are in any court of law. They are not the 'proof' you want. But that's the thing isn't it? It all boils down to Humility. Know that God is NOT going to meet you on your terms. He has commanded and is waiting for you to meet Him on His.

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Didn't say the bible is proof. It is verification.

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so your nose is in the air as well!

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Says who???

Science?

You do understand Religion and Science are not even the same category, and you are comparing apples and oranges right?? Use to be, a long time ago Religion/God was debated and approached as a philosophy. Most of those arguments ended poorly for the philosopher, because God could indeed be demonstrated to enough of a degree to trump empty philosophy. So then along comes 19th centruy the self righteous philospher with an interest in 'science.' Now straddling two different disciplines, the Anti Theist is no longer bound by the rules of philosphy or just science alone, they can take the best of both, and when one fails you seek to tap the other.

For example the foundational principle of Science (the scientific method) Demands completely mastery and control over a given principle or phenomena for it to be considered known/vetted/verifiable. Which would mean we (finite) would have to have complete control/mastery over God (infinite) inorder to proof God to the degree Science requires. Which (philosophically speaking) means God is not, Can no longer be God/Alpha and Omega. So even if we could win at that Game we still loose.

So no, not going to play. Pick a discipline and follow it through. You want to talk philosophy let talk theological philosophy, Or Science but not both when ever it suits you. when you loose sack up and concede. Don't pull this weak minded BS and try and sift the goal posts on me.