pop morality

[loganonekenobi]

So far I have not seen real work as to a solution that would help us look beyond current moral thinking other than individual initiative. I can see nothing more here than the usual christian rhetoric that causes division among humanity by attempting to coerce everyone to a way of thinking that is not evidence based.

Do better or at least try.  You expect us to.

If you think your expected to 'do better' define "usual Christian rhetoric" and how it causes division, then apply that defination to what I have said, and i will 'attempt to do better'

You expect me to pay attention to what you said but when i say something.....
first of all this is typical of the christian to do. they expect others to listen to their message but refuse to listen to any other

Psalm 14:1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10New International Version (NIV)
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
If that isn't divisive enough i don't know what is...

this gives them the right to push their disease everywhere
Matthew 28:19-20
Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

these verses and many others do two things that is totally typical of the "christian rhetoric"
"we have a message to give and you must listen." many times in history they forced other to listen.
and
"we are not going to listen to anything you have to say because our god told us not to"
That, sir, is what you are doing.
This is what you have been doing the entire time I have seen you on this forum.
This is what divides the human race (among other things).
I dont care that the you think the old testament doesn't apply the fact is that the typical christian response is exactly as i have represented it.
You are doing exactly this.
Instead of thinking for yourself and saying
"hmm does homosexuality really do as much harm as pedophilia?" you lump them together equally because the goat herders who wrote the bible say so. (because there is no proof that it was inspired divinely).
In short the non religious are allowed to think, change, and evolve just as life has done for billions of years
The religious are not allowed this if they hold fast to every word of the xenophobic,misogynistic , genocidal, and insecure wisdom of desperate desert folks who were barely in the iron age.
All you do is say "cause God says so" instead of "doing X creates Y problem and therefore X should be considered immoral."
I'm okay with this kind of discussion but that is not what you are doing.
That is what i mean by "do better".