(March 22, 2016 at 12:15 pm)Drich Wrote:(March 21, 2016 at 8:10 pm)Kitan Wrote: Correction:
For you, it is erroneously thought of as killing a baby.
For those of us who are more rational and intelligent, it is the understanding of removing a bundle of cells that could potentially be a baby if it progressed past the point of legal termination via abortion.
Seriously, learn to science.
Says who? your god of 'science?'
Don't you get you answer is precisely what it is i am trying to demonstrate?
"Science" has become your God, it help set your pop moral values and it is through science things like putting babies through a meat grinder process becomes justified/moral.
http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/.../index.htm
The pics above are not just a random assortment of 'cells.' Viable babies are being scrambled in the name of 'choice' because 'science' was used to remove these children's humanity.
Respectfully, Drich, I think you have the cart before the horse. The idea of a fetus being a "viable infant" is a REALLY new concept in society. Many societies (both pre- and post-Scientific Method) practiced abortion. It was not invented by science for the purpose of "removing their humanity"; rather, the Pro-Life crowd have decided that they wish to assert a new principle, which is that fetuses are really "the unborn".
Regardless of that detail, the misuse of scientific data does not have any impact on the practice of science by scientists any more than the Catholic Clergy abuses mean that there's something inherently wrong with Christianity. We can be disgusted at those who misuse their positions, or who cover for those who do, without blaming the underlying group for those abuses, if the overwhelming majority of said group is not misbehaving.
The really radical part to me is that Christians have attached themselves to the PL campaign despite the fact that the Bible makes it very clear that God has no problem slaughtering infants, ordering them to be slaughtered, and that priests conduct "infidelity tests" in Numbers chapter 5 on women suspected of sleeping around while there husbands are gone that (despite the coded language "belly to swell and thigh to rot") clearly is an induced miscarriage. Yes, I know you'll try to claim that it's just to sterilize such women in the future, but that makes little sense in a world where there was no birth control, and one who was unfaithful was probably carrying another man's baby.
Finally, I noticed your response to the chicken-egg thing. The ability to eat unfertilized eggs is also VERY new, as it's a result of the practice of keeping hens 100% isolated from cocks, typically in huge facilities. Most eggs throughout history have been fertilized eggs, and no one would call them a "chicken" (even an unborn one) until they hatched, despite that fact.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.