RE: pop morality
March 24, 2016 at 12:16 pm
(This post was last modified: March 24, 2016 at 12:18 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
Not to mention, that's what the Scientific Method is FOR, having other researchers check your data.
Essentially, they're pointing out that there's another possibility, despite the fact that the mathematical calculations said there should be the H-B there at that specific GeV.
The theory predicted it. The math showed it should be there. And something was found there.
All the other team is doing is saying that the thing we found may possibly be something other than an intact HB, as you pointed out. But other scientists always conduct experiments that will confirm or reject a result from any group... that is quite literally how the Scientific Method works.
The funny thing is that you're attacking CERN when all they did was look for it at the GeV level the decay of the particle should have emitted, and they found that. It was predicted by one team (thus the Nobel), and then found by another team via the experiments at the LHC. Others will question the results, as they should, and it may be confirmed or denied by later research, but IT WAS THERE.
What's baffling in all this is that you think it makes science into "Imaginationland", or somesuch.
The same is true of the Black Hole. We infer their existence from mathematical models built upon the data, as you pointed out. And, as new data comes in, they sometimes need to adjust the idea to fit the new information (as when Einstein's discoveries about high-speed travel showed that Newtonian math couldn't accurately predict the motion of two objects relative to one another... Newton wasn't wrong, per se, he just didn't have the information necessary to formulate a model that gave us the degree of precision that Einstein allowed for). That's what's happening with Black Holes; we're refining our formulation of how they work. Hawking was the first to discover that the BH could emit radiation at all, and to show how it would work.
We get that the jury is still out on the proof via CERN of the H-B predicted by the winners of the Nobel, but that's science doing its job. While I applaud you for doing research on the findings of science, I find your deeply-ingrained agenda to be disturbing. Frankly, people like you frighten the shit out of me... you apply skepticism only when it suits you, such as attacking science because it says not-nice things about your favorite fairytales. We applaud your application of skepticism, however rudimentary, but we ask that you try really really really hard to gain a better understanding of how science works, and why it must work that way.
Essentially, they're pointing out that there's another possibility, despite the fact that the mathematical calculations said there should be the H-B there at that specific GeV.
The theory predicted it. The math showed it should be there. And something was found there.
All the other team is doing is saying that the thing we found may possibly be something other than an intact HB, as you pointed out. But other scientists always conduct experiments that will confirm or reject a result from any group... that is quite literally how the Scientific Method works.
The funny thing is that you're attacking CERN when all they did was look for it at the GeV level the decay of the particle should have emitted, and they found that. It was predicted by one team (thus the Nobel), and then found by another team via the experiments at the LHC. Others will question the results, as they should, and it may be confirmed or denied by later research, but IT WAS THERE.
What's baffling in all this is that you think it makes science into "Imaginationland", or somesuch.
The same is true of the Black Hole. We infer their existence from mathematical models built upon the data, as you pointed out. And, as new data comes in, they sometimes need to adjust the idea to fit the new information (as when Einstein's discoveries about high-speed travel showed that Newtonian math couldn't accurately predict the motion of two objects relative to one another... Newton wasn't wrong, per se, he just didn't have the information necessary to formulate a model that gave us the degree of precision that Einstein allowed for). That's what's happening with Black Holes; we're refining our formulation of how they work. Hawking was the first to discover that the BH could emit radiation at all, and to show how it would work.
We get that the jury is still out on the proof via CERN of the H-B predicted by the winners of the Nobel, but that's science doing its job. While I applaud you for doing research on the findings of science, I find your deeply-ingrained agenda to be disturbing. Frankly, people like you frighten the shit out of me... you apply skepticism only when it suits you, such as attacking science because it says not-nice things about your favorite fairytales. We applaud your application of skepticism, however rudimentary, but we ask that you try really really really hard to gain a better understanding of how science works, and why it must work that way.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.