(April 5, 2016 at 9:39 am)Drich Wrote:(April 5, 2016 at 1:06 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: *sigh* Science isn't dogma. That's why it changes. That's the very thing most Christians mock when they come here to talk with us about science. It's what you think is its greatest weakness, but that we consider its greatest strength. You don't get to use it both ways in your arguments! You can't simultaneously say that we adhere to science as if it is dogmatic and then attack science for being so non-dogmatic that it changes when we learn better information or better-explain a phenomenon.
However, when we have well-established and -understood theories (predictive/explanative models of the function of a known natural phenomenon), and someone comes in here attacking science, making a straw-man of the real, hard-won knowledge arguments because of a book of scripture (any book of scripture), we call them idiots. It is being deliberately and willfully ignorant.
And seriously, why do y'all keep bringing up Dawkins? Has anyone here even used a Dawkins argument? (Except maybe posting some video of him from YouTube, talking about a specific topic under discussion in the thread?)
because whether most of you know it or not, you all follow the 'God delusion' outline in being an atheist, or at least some aspect of that.
And by this, you mean that Dawkins did not entirely mis-state the ideas held by many other atheists? Okay. I would imagine the sect of Christianity you consider most divergent from your own still shares some aspect of yours.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.