RE: pop morality
April 8, 2016 at 9:28 am
(This post was last modified: April 8, 2016 at 9:29 am by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(April 8, 2016 at 8:56 am)Drich Wrote:(April 5, 2016 at 11:14 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: And by this, you mean that Dawkins did not entirely mis-state the ideas held by many other atheists? Okay. I would imagine the sect of Christianity you consider most divergent from your own still shares some aspect of yours.
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Atheism united behind the points Dawkins made.
Just like all sects of Christian have united behind Christ. (which is why all 'sects' have aspects in common, as we have a common core.) Just like you all do whether you can admit it or not.
The difference between your fantasy and what I have observed??
If "atheists held these Ideas that dawkins did not misstate' prior to his publication, then they would be able to expound on them when challenged. Rather the vast majority can not. That would tend to mean theses people are 'followers' not pioneers, sheople not shepherds.
Rather Dawkins (and people like him) voice a 'reason' for like minded sheople to unite behind. Refute the shepard's logic and the sheople fall like dominoes.
You really DO have a listening problem, don't you? I find it telling that you used the term "fantasy", since we have told you R-E-P-E-A-T-E-D-L-Y most of us haven't even read Dawkins, or if we have only found a few of his ideas interesting, and that we don't "follow" him because we consider him just any other person with a few good ideas and a lot of bad ones.
We tell you this over and over, and yet you persist in the fantasies you have created: a nice, neat little row of straw-man atheists. And I've never seen you "refute the shepard's [sic] logic" about anything... the only thing I've seen is a wall of straw-man half-truths that you construct and then smash to pieces before declaring victory, then ignoring when we explain to you why your personal ideas about science/atheism/history are partially or totally incorrect and/or logically inconsistent.
For someone who gets so angry when we supposedly can't grasp your Paulianity-fixation with the description of salvation (etc) in Romans, it's hilarious that you won't listen when we explain that you're just making up fake versions of us to tear down. It would be amusing to watch if I didn't know you think that way because there are apologetics mills out there, cranking out these false propaganda to mislead Christians into remaining ignorant about science and fearful of "the enemies of faith". Then I just because sad, and finally angry, to think these people actively work to increase the prejudice against atheists and other "wrong-believers", from the Christian majority.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.