(April 8, 2016 at 9:56 am)Drich Wrote: What in all that I said makes you think I insist any of you have read Dawkins? Dawkins simply provided the outline or the 'structure' that most of atheist (by word of mouth) tend to fall under.
Wat? How can he "provide an outline" when most of us don't read or listen to him?
How can he provide that outline "to the community" when this board and a few local discussion/social groups are the closest thing we have to a community?
I'm not even joking; it's honestly astounding to me that you can miss the mark by that much in your construction of strawman-atheism.
(April 8, 2016 at 9:56 am)Drich Wrote: Just like you don't have to read the bible to be a christian, yet one does indeed have to follow the teachings of Christ. How one gets those teaching will vary, but even so it does not mean one who has read the bible is any more Christian than one who has not, nor does it mean one does not have to be a follower of dawkins to spout the same type of argument/using the same frame work he himself has use/published. Why because again his frame work is ingrained in the atheism community. His arguments are the foundations (starting points) where you and people like you put their own personal spin on your own arguments. Again all of this from a 'monkey see/Monkey do' (evolution dig) behavior when a 'atheist' smashes up a christian position.
What?!? Again, no "atheism community", and Dawkins is stating arguments people are already making, perhaps with his own spin/insight added to it. That doesn't mean we see him as some kind of "leader" of our "community", because we have neither.
You're so desperate to equate us with people who follow religious leaders that your shots are getting wider from the mark, not closer to the bullseye. Keep working on that listening problem of yours.
(April 8, 2016 at 9:56 am)Drich Wrote: If you've never read dawkins how would you ever know?
Oh, I've read Dawkins. I read The Selfish Gene and The Greatest Show on Earth, but neither of those is about atheism. The only book of his I read about atheism was The God Delusion, and frankly I thought the book had a few major problems. I neither saw it as inspirational nor worthy of emulation in any way. From what I've seen of our forum members (the only atheist "community" I know), few of us here feel more than a "mehhh" about it or about him.
And we've told you this, over and over again. If you didn't have such a thick head and weren't so desperate to believe a falsehood instead of listening to us TELLING YOU why/where we get our ideas, you'd have long since dropped this line of pathetic nonsense.
I'm not insulting you... it really is both nonsense and pathetic to watch.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.