(March 11, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote: They aren't remotely the same thing. Atheists aren't a group, numbnuts. They are individual people who happen to share a single conclusion. They're no more a group than "people who like the color blue," are a group. What you're doing here is base equivocation.
Actually what you describe ARE in fact considered groups.
Group: a number of people who are connected by some shared activity, interest, or quality
(March 11, 2016 at 1:36 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Moreover, and this would be some of that nuance stuff that you have real trouble with where it contradicts what you want to believe, making illogical arguments in general is not a bad thing. It's part of the human condition, and there's no shame in it at all, so long as you can identify and correct the error. The problem with christians- which is fully present in Kitan's OP- is that they never identify that error, which in this case is the root beliefs of their religion. Instead, they ignore the basics of logic in favor of making arguments to get to a preconceived conclusion, rather than using logic to reach whatever conclusion is best. The problem is the exclusive lack of logic that theism demands, were one to attempt to argue for theism.*emphasis mine*
That is in there, you know. You'd just have to be reading the post without the presupposition that it needs to be wrong, and this weird, neurotic drive you have to twist everything to fit that presupposition.
And I can prove Atheists do the same thing.
Must I remind you of a certain incident where all the atheists were on the wrong side of the argument despite the PROOF being presented? Talk about ignoring the basics of logic in favor of making arguments to get to a preconceived conclusion...