(May 8, 2016 at 11:20 am)Excited Penguin Wrote: How does randomness exclude determinism, exactly? What does it matter that you can't predict the effect, there's still going to be an effect and you're going to be bound by it.
Determinism is predictable, random is unpredictable, free will is unpredictable. Whether it is determinate, random or free will, one is still bound by the outcome.
I need a six. I roll the dice and get a six. Was that predictable? Did I make the dice come up six? Whether it was determinate or random, I still won.
Free will is not provable by the result. Only the cause can prove it one way or the other.
(May 8, 2016 at 3:57 pm)Excited Penguin Wrote:(May 8, 2016 at 3:55 pm)IATIA Wrote: Yes I did. You are just being obtuse,
I said the same thing Sam did, albeit more technical and much less eloquent.
You never even approached the subject.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-42978-po...pid1269322
http://atheistforums.org/thread-42978-po...pid1269354
http://atheistforums.org/thread-42978-po...pid1269415
http://atheistforums.org/thread-42978-po...pid1269430
http://atheistforums.org/thread-42978-po...pid1269530
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