Looks As If Turkey Is Going Down The Shitter, Too

[Regina]

Madog, the relevance is that Islamophobics brushes all Muslims with the tar of the extremists.

The difference between Christianity and Islam is not particularly in deity, somewhat in doctrine, but mostly in the fact that Christianity has been defanged, while Islam hasn't. An Islamophobe who bases his feelings on scripture should rightly display the same bigotry against Christianity. An Islamophobe who bases his criticisms on actions should rightlly base his feelings on the actions of a small minority of Muslims.

As a very liberal person all my life I am horrified that we don't stand up for liberal Muslims.

I Talk about how wrong homophobia, sexism, etc, etc, is in the world, but some want to exclude Islam from the discussion, we are letting our fellow man down .....

The problems with Islam are the same as nearly every other religion, terrorism is a tiny part .... Why should a gay, female, etc, etc Muslim suffer from silence of the liberals when Islam is decades/centuries behind a lot of western religions?

Its as if liberalism has gone mad .... Protecting the theocracy and not the victims, which are by and large Muslims 

This is the issue I have and I think this post hits the nail on the head

The regressive Left, a lot of times, do inadvertently paint Muslims with a broad brush too with this "oppressed, offended Muslim" narrative, and it comes off hypocritical as they're chastising the Right for doing it. It ignores the French Muslims who were shouting "Je Suis Charlie" alongside everyone else (and getting threatened for it), and it ignores the Iranian woman taking un-veiled selfies on Facebook (and getting threatened for it).

It's not that it's wrong to talk about "not all Muslims do x, y and z", the frustration I have is that people only seem to bring out that argument when it's against Westerners. Nobody ever seems to defend this dissent and diversity among Muslims in response to Wahhabism or other forms of hardline Islamism. I wish we could tell Saudi Arabia and Iran that their theocracy isn't favoured by all Muslims, we don't do that though, in fact we allow them to build mosques and schools in our societies which promote radicalism... and so in ignoring/defending Islamism it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Political-Islamism probably wouldn't be anywhere near as big a problem today, at least in The West, had the Western Left and liberals put their foot down and stood by secular values back in the 70s and 80s before the movement really took hold. The situation now though, we have a pseudo-liberal left who can't hear a criticism of the ideology of Islam without seeing it as bigotry against Muslims, and the far-Right are the ones leading the criticism against Islamic Law but actually are doing it in a very discriminatory and unfair way.