hate the sin, love the sinner

[FatAndFaithless]

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "often," but not every problem can be solved by a story.  Hell, I'd consider taking away their phone for a week or putting them in timeout as 'punishment,' it's just nothing like the punishment that the Bible recommends for certain sins, or that we hear about from fundamentalists.

The stories he told me stick to this day, well more than 40 years after. I'm not sure if taking a toy away, we didn't have phones back then, would have had the same effect.

Yeah..and that's fine...I wasn't at all comparing your particular, personal stories to a timeout, it's just that those are some examples of punishment that a loving parent might need to use once in a while.  My point was a response to RR saying that loving parents sometimes do need to punish their children - and that's true, but the punishments we see coming from 'loving' fundamentalist families, and the punishments advocated in the bible are vastly different, and certainly don't seem to suggest that they 'love the sinner.'