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Sin and death
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Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death".
Does this mean animals sin as well? Even uni-cellular organisms? Do plants sin? Because they all die as well, not just humans. Why does an animal die if it doesn't know the moral difference between right and wrong? 
You can't be serious.....? It's obviously referring only to humans. Humans die because of sin, other life forms die for other reasons.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
 (October 19, 2023 at 10:52 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: Does this mean animals sin as well? They would if they had money to participate in religious scam of buying forgiveness from the sin.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
(October 19, 2023 at 11:35 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:(October 19, 2023 at 10:52 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: Does this mean animals sin as well? Apparently the entire Reformation (Protestantism) owes its existence to the outrage over the Catholic Church selling time off from Purgo. (October 19, 2023 at 11:37 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: Apparently the entire Reformation (Protestantism) owes its existence to the outrage over the Catholic Church selling time off from Purgo. And yet they are also in the sin scam business. Christianity is a business of convincing you that you suffer from the imaginary disease of sinning from which only they can heal you. So you get "healed" by going to mass every Sunday, buying their books, believing what they tell you, by giving them money.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
Animal death came about because of the sin of Adam, seems to be the general xtian view.
Adam killed my cat? the bastard!
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.
Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it! RE: Sin and death
October 20, 2023 at 5:05 am
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2023 at 5:05 am by FrustratedFool.)
Adam sinned because of Eve, who sinned because of the devil. All suffering can ultimately be laid at the door of Satan. Such was the xtian view I held to back in the day.
  (October 19, 2023 at 10:52 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: Romans 6:23 says, "For the wages of sin is death". I cannot bring myself to buy the idea of an all powerful, all loving being knowing that the "Cuterebra" or "Botfly" maggot larvae burrows into the skin of animals such as squirrels or rabbits or kittens or puppies, even humans. It eats their flesh and drinks their blood. |
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