RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 5, 2016 at 9:07 pm
(This post was last modified: November 5, 2016 at 9:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 5, 2016 at 8:57 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: An illogical universe can't be logical, no.-and you can stop there. I know you want there to be more, there isn't. Even in this, we have to lay the provision that this is only true, -in this universe-..because fuck me, if a universe can evade logic we can't say -anything- about it, logically. Maybe it can be illogically logical...because the laws that exist here (like identity) that state it can't be don't hold there....nevertheless, we can't say so -here. Which is exactly what I expressed in the last thread, about the same silly ass thing.
Quote:An illogical universe can't be anything. It can't exist. Because as already explained it would have to at least have the Law of Identity.... and therefore it wouldn't be fully illogical. Illogical universes can't exist and and therefore they can't be logical. Because it would not be logical for an illogical universe to be logical or a logical universe to be illogical, and, all universes are logical.You're trying to make an insensible thing sensible. This was OP's turd, don't make it your own.
Quote:2+2=5 can't be logical and isn't logical.-and that, with nothing else, answers the question asked and the proposition offered.
Quote:2+2=5 can't be anything. It can't be. 2 things and 2 things being 5 things isn't even imaginable and can't even be true hypothetically. 2+2=4 is as solid as the law of identity because they have the same identity. "2 and 2" and "4" are just the same thing from two different precepts and anyone who thinks they are different is making a use mention error.In the OP's hypothetical universe, it can be, and further -is-. It's insensible, which has led you to pitch straw at the insensible. That's the utility of the insensible, more often than not. We try to make it sensible, we invest it to be something less silly than it is, to address it for what it is not. You probably wouldn't be surprised to hear that this was all about a god concept, would you, lol. OFC it was.
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