RE: Is the statement "Claims demand evidence" always true?
January 17, 2017 at 10:00 am
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2017 at 10:10 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(January 17, 2017 at 6:45 am)bennyboy Wrote:Why? You'll waste our time bickering over evidence by reference to what you believe to be contradictory evidence - which is kind of the point.(January 16, 2017 at 4:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Sure there are.Great news! Please produce
Quote:I'd like to outline a thought experiment, and you can tell me how you would classify some of the statements, if you don't mind.Sure, np.
Quote:I'd look to a worm, and say, "That worm cannot know some things because of its limitations." I can see what it cannot because I don't have those limitations. I can kind of understand what a bat is doing because of a basic understanding of sonar, but I cannot know what it's LIKE to be a bat using sonar; this is due to my limitations.You -don;t- know what it's like to be a bat, to know that you can't know..you'd have to know something that you don't know.
Quote:So I'd take this and extend it into the unknown-- I'd say there must be some things which can be experienced, but not by me, since I do not believe I am a maximally complete organism. Those things are not so much metaphysical as inscrutable.There are things which are experienced, but not by you, you produced evidence to that effect by reference to bats sensory abilities............hell, I experience things you don;t experience. Thankfully, we're not limited to our human ears when we investigate sound, our human eyes when we muse over light, or any individuals experience when we make truth claims.
Quote:But what if Bob walks into the room and says, "Show me the evidence"? Would you categorize my understandings of worms and bats as evidence for my proposition? What if I start talking about all possible beings and their capacities to experience?You -did- show the evidence. Your understanding of bats possessing sensory abilities that you do not is not the evidence, the fact that they do and you don't..is the evidence. If you start talking about all possible beings as a hanging phrase then it will never materialize into anything even remotely as worthwhile as your comments regarding yourself and a bat. It would only be a statement that lent itself well to vaguery and obfuscation.
Quote: Would you say that there must be infinite ways in which an organism could experience truth which we cannot?No, I wouldn't...because my use of the term truth isn't as malleable as your own, like I keep telling you, over and over again. I don;t have to wonder whether or not there are a great many ways that creatures can experience. That much is well evidenced just in the small set of creatures here, on earth. Truth, however, is the product of a well defined system, so unless your bats and worms and possible beings are manufacturing logical statements..............
So, again, experience, evidence, truth. These terms are not interchangeable. We don't experience truth, we arrive at truth.
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