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Who was "he" talking to?
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RE: Who was "he" talking to?
(January 12, 2017 at 9:04 am)Tonus Wrote:
(January 11, 2017 at 9:58 am)Godschild Wrote: You are not thinking about man's sinful nature.God is calling man from his natural state and Satan sets up a way for man to remain in his natural state and separated from God.

Sin is our natural state? I was under the impression that the Christian belief is that perfection is our natural state, but that it was stripped from Adam and Eve and humanity inherited it as a result. In any case, if it is our fallen nature that places such a large obstacle in our path, then isn't God obligated to make it easier to find him? I didn't eat from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge; Eve did. If my inability to connect with God is due to this flaw --handed down to me as punishment for someone else's crime-- and God is not compensating for this flaw, he is leaving me in the hands of his arch-enemy, someone who wins a minor victory every time another soul is lost. If God wants us all to be saved, he is acting against his own desires.

God paid the ultimate price because of the fall, in doing so He made it easy to once again be restored to Him through Jesus and the grace that's extended to us. I know that atheist do not believe God paid a price of any kind, this has been argued here time and again and there is no need to rehash it. God does extend an invitation to all who seek Him and all one has to do is simple accept.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Who was "he" talking to? - by Idontbelieveit - January 2, 2017 at 7:17 pm
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RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by robvalue - January 4, 2017 at 2:29 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 4, 2017 at 2:23 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by chimp3 - January 4, 2017 at 6:30 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Astonished - January 4, 2017 at 2:10 pm
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 4, 2017 at 4:53 pm
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by chimp3 - January 4, 2017 at 8:37 pm
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 5, 2017 at 12:40 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by chimp3 - January 5, 2017 at 6:55 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 5, 2017 at 9:05 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by GUBU - January 8, 2017 at 9:31 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Minimalist - January 5, 2017 at 2:09 pm
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RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by chimp3 - January 6, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 8, 2017 at 9:35 am
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RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 9, 2017 at 6:56 pm
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RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 10, 2017 at 8:14 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 10, 2017 at 4:38 pm
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 11, 2017 at 7:25 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 11, 2017 at 9:58 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 12, 2017 at 9:04 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 12, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 13, 2017 at 8:54 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Crossless1 - January 13, 2017 at 9:43 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 13, 2017 at 1:43 pm
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 14, 2017 at 9:41 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 14, 2017 at 11:03 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 15, 2017 at 6:59 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 16, 2017 at 6:33 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by chimp3 - January 16, 2017 at 6:42 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 16, 2017 at 4:22 pm
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by chimp3 - January 16, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 17, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 16, 2017 at 11:15 am
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RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Tonus - January 25, 2017 at 8:01 am
RE: Who was "he" talking to? - by Godschild - January 28, 2017 at 3:52 am
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