4 Arrested In FB Video Torturing Of A Mentally Challenged Man

[Catholic_Lady]

You did. Let me single step you through English. If it is not what you intended, then I expect it will be easy to clarify your position.

Here are the assumptions/axioms employed:

- You would not have included within the same paragraph unconnected ideas/statements. (A fair assumption given that you would not be able to communicate otherwise)

- You had some point or set of points to express (as opposed to a meaningless platitude)

Please correct me if my assumption on reading what you write is incorrect.



1. "It's unfortunate (though telling) that this turned into a debate."

 - This establishes there is some debate, but does not specify what it is about. A safe assumption is either it will be left unspecified (thus requiring a thread read to establish) or will be specified shortly.

2. "This was a racist hate crime against an innocent disabled teenager. "

- this is either a bare statement of fact (stand alone) or could be related to the undefined debate as a statement of fact.
- Two possible meanings so far - either "There's a debate and there shouldn't be. Here's a fact" or "This debate is predicated on bad conjectures. This fact clearly is in conflict with that conjecture"

3. "There is no debate to be had."

- this statement establishes that the prior statement (the fact) directly negates the purpose of a debate by conflicting with said debate's fundamental premise.

Therefore, given the above, the unambiguous meaning of your paragraph, Catholic_Lady, is that there is a debate on if there was a hate crime and there shouldn't be a debate because the established facts contradict the premise of said debate.

You misunderstand. 

What I meant by that was that the only thing there is to say on this thread is that this was a racist hate crime against a disabled person. That's it. That's all any of us should come into this thread to say/acknowledge. I wasn't meaning to imply that the arguments in this thread were that it wasn't a hate crime. I've already explained what the arguments I saw were about, and it wasn't anyone denying that it's a hate crime.

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The thing is, I don't think anyone is having a hard time doing that. Read back over the thread and I don't think there is a single person who has denied that it was a hate crime, or even a racist hate crime. However people like A Theist were jumping up and down yesterday trying to convince everyone that people were denying exactly that, despite the fact that the thread is filled with people saying it was a hate crime, racially motivated, etc.

So where I have a problem is whether A Theist is actually so dense that he couldn't be bothered to read the thread properly and see that despite his assumptions, nobody was actually doing the things he was claiming they were doing, or whether he was saying those things to try and turn this thread into an argument over racism towards white people and how liberals all think that only white people can be racist. After being told repeatedly that people weren't denying the racist element of the crime, and A Theist continuing to espouse that view, I can only conclude that he had an ulterior motive for being involved in the thread, because quite honestly I don't think he's that dense.

Right, no one has said "this is not a hate crime." 

But there have been a couple people who have been hesitant to call it a racist hate crime, there have been a couple people who have said it doesn't matter if it's racism, and there have been a couple people who have come in here only to make some sort of objection at the person for having posted it. Some of these same people are the ones to be super quick to call racism on anything when it doesn't involve a white person as the victim, and who wouldn't object to other criminal news stories being posted. I pointed out a specific example earlier. 

So yeah, I'm seeing a double standard among some folks and that's what I'm pointing out personally. I can't speak to A Theist's motivations, though I will point out that he accused Thump of being one of the people who had a problem calling this a race crime when he actually had done just that. And I did call him out for it.

Bolded the above just now