(January 18, 2017 at 8:55 pm)Pulse Wrote:So your "evidence" is "we don't know, therefore God". Because that's what you just said. Your "evidence" for design is that it's complex? You're not telling me what you do know here, you're telling me what you don't know. You're telling me what materialists and atheists don't know. I'm an atheist. But I have never tried to work out the origin of anything in biology because I am not a biologist or geneticist or chemist or paleontologist or anything which would give me the duties of "working out" anything about this. What does being an atheist have to do with figuring out anything in biology?(January 18, 2017 at 6:55 pm)Asmodee Wrote: There is zero "evidence" for intelligent design. Even early ID pushers didn't use the word "evidence", but instead chose the term "logical inferences".I have many times, the DNA molecule and the nano-machines it codes for (These are far more advanced than our technology has ever achieved) and how the DNA molecule needs products of its translation by RNA to replicate itself, which creates a vicious circle for Materialistic Atheists trying to work out its origin.
As for atheists being "less generous", there is plenty of evidence (I can post links) that just the opposite is true. It's just less visible because atheists don't stand up in front of the world and say, "Look at me! I'm an atheist and I'm helping someone!" like organized religion tends to.
And I don't know where you're getting your projection that the "nones" are projected to decline, but again, just the opposite of that has been true for decades with all categories of nones increasing at an accelerated pace.
Now back to this "evidence" for intelligent design, please, to share. But before you do, "When I look at that, I see this" IS NOT evidence for anything, it's an opinion. And "evolution is wrong because..." IS NOT evidence for anything, it's evidence AGAINST something, or claimed to be, anyway. If you could present A SINGLE PIECE of "evidence for" intelligent design you would shock not only me but, indeed, the scientific community, even the entire world. But that's not going to happen. My "evidence for" that is that many have claimed this before, none have done it yet.
Yes, DNA is complex. So what? If you want to prove that DNA cannot be random and could not have formed naturally without help then you would have to prove that no complex system could be random or form naturally without help. You have no idea how frustrating it is when people like you use the argument "We don't understand it" to say "We understand it perfectly". Your argument and your conclusion are at odds with one another. Either we DO understand it and it is design (from your perspective) or we DON'T understand it and we cannot draw any conclusions. But you are claiming BOTH!
So let's try again. Do you have any "EVIDENCE" of design. Don't tell me what we don't know. Don't tell me what we don't understand. Don't tell me what's not happening. Don't tell me how stupid atheists are as if "atheist" and "scientist" are the same thing. Tell me what you DO know and what you can PROVE. I'll give you a hint. That conversation sounds like crickets chirping.
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