Guys do you believe Howard Storm's NDE?

[Little Rik]

Oh, by the way yog I need your expert help.  
When people who have an OBE see their bodies from above does this means that their brain is still active or it means that the consciousness has separated from a dead body-brain?  

Already answered.  https://atheistforums.org/thread-47356-p...pid1496393

Like I said, you just suck at listening.

As Chas informed you.  Death is a process, not an event.  And parts of that process linger on after the blood is no longer flowing.  If it weren't, the cells would all be dead the moment that blood flow stops and there would be no returning.  But as we've seen, the cells don't all at once stop working merely because there's no more blood flow to them.  They keep working, sometimes for fairly long periods of time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_syndrome

Despite your protestations, the brain isn't truly dead until it's truly dead.

The brain can survive for up to about six minutes after the heart stops.  The reason to learn cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) is that if CPR is started within six minutes of cardiac arrest, the brain may survive the lack of oxygen. After about six minutes without CPR, however, the brain begins to die. (See How CPR Works to learn more about the procedure.) Prompt resuscitation allows the physician time to assess and treat the damaged brain. Medication and mechanical ventilation permit tissue oxygenation, but severe brain damage or a prolonged period without oxygen or glucose causes the death of the brain.

By definition, "brain death" is "when the entire brain, including the brain stem, has irreversibly lost all function." The legal time of death is "that time when a physician(s) has determined that the brain and the brain stem have irreversibly lost all neurological function."

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/in...death1.htm

The fact that the brain cells or any other cells in the body do not die straight away when the blood and oxygen stop flowing is total irrelevant.  
As far as the consciousness left the body-brain whether the cells are alive or dead that doesn't make any difference.
A body-brain without the consciousness is nothing.
Nothing at all.  
If however the consciousness go back into the body-brain then we say that that was an OBE or an NDE.

Now let us come to the second point.
Your experts allege that an NDE can happen in the brain by the brain even when the blood and oxygen doesn't flow in the brain anymore and it is the brain that create the illusion that an NDE is happening.
That is not possible.
As far as the consciousness left the body-brain and can see his body from above then the brain is unable to do anything.
It is the consciousness the driver or the one that start the action of thinking.
The consciousness can not possibly be in two places at the same time.
Or it is inside the body-brain or it is outside so if it is outside the brain is unable to do anything even if the cells are not dead yet.
To say that a brain left without oxygen and blood is able to create such a clear and sharp experience such as an NDE is very very speculative.
Even if the cells are not dead yet they must be in a KO situation and in such situation they can not possibly put together an NDE that is remembered after years and years very vividly.
Fail once again yog.  

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I had a thought about all this:

Let's assume for a second that a person really does "die" temporarily, whatever that means, and their consciousness "leaves" their body. They have a NDE/OBE, then come to life to tell us all about it.

Now. Why didn't the consciousness fly off to be reincarnated in some other animal? Or get sent off to heaven, hell or whatever else place it's supposed to go? Did the consciousness know the future, that the host would come back to life, so it hung around? Or is there like a certain amount of time it has to wait just to check the person doesn't reanimate before hopping off?

I look forward to ad hoc explanations regarding this problem.

The percentage of people having an OBE or an NDE is very very small indeed.
Maybe less than 1%.
Most people do not come back in their actual body.
Here Roberto I am talking about my beliefs that you can well disagree if you don't like.
NDEs happen because God see the possibility in a person to learn.
OBE on the other hand carry a very small degree of learning nevertheless people in a OBE still realize that life goes on after the physical death.
By learning after an NDE God show them that in this life these people can still do something positive for themselves and for other.
In a normal death on the other hand God will reincarnate them because in their present body people could not achieve any progress anymore.
Got it Roberto?