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What would you call my new beliefs?
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RE: What would you call my new beliefs?
(March 1, 2017 at 7:53 am)SteveII Wrote: Inductively, to escape the logical absurdity that physical matter always existed, what we are left with as an explanation is a non-physical, timeless, un-caused, force that was powerful enough to bring matter into existence out of nothing.

No.

Matter always existed within space-time, as matter cannot be created or destroyed within space-time. In the same way, the necessity of causality can only be demonstrated to hold within space-time - in point of fact, the idea of causality holding outside of time is nonsensical, since there is no time in which a cause could possibly precede an effect.

This is the failing of the various formulations of the cosmological argument. They all fail to establish that the idea of the universe having a cause is even coherent, let alone possible or necessary. They attempt to hide this by sleight of hand, trying to substitute the necessity of causality within the universe for evidence of its necessity outside - but this does not work, as the two are not equivalent.

(March 1, 2017 at 7:53 am)SteveII Wrote: a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.

See above.

(March 1, 2017 at 7:53 am)SteveII Wrote: c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.

The universe is not fine-tuned for intelligent life.

(March 1, 2017 at 7:53 am)SteveII Wrote: d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.

Incoherent. The argument is not sufficiently defined.

(March 1, 2017 at 7:53 am)SteveII Wrote: e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.

Objective moral values and duties do not exist.
"Owl," said Rabbit shortly, "you and I have brains. The others have fluff. If there is any thinking to be done in this Forest - and when I say thinking I mean thinking - you and I must do it."
  - A. A. Milne, The House at Pooh Corner
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What would you call my new beliefs? - by Won2blv - February 18, 2017 at 11:27 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Athene - February 18, 2017 at 6:54 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Mr Greene - February 18, 2017 at 7:22 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Won2blv - February 18, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Mr Greene - February 18, 2017 at 10:53 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Cyberman - February 18, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Won2blv - February 18, 2017 at 7:57 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Jesster - February 18, 2017 at 8:06 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Simon Moon - February 20, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Won2blv - February 24, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - February 28, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Simon Moon - February 28, 2017 at 4:28 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - February 28, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Simon Moon - February 28, 2017 at 8:57 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 7:53 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Harry Nevis - March 1, 2017 at 10:22 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 10:37 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Harry Nevis - March 1, 2017 at 10:41 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 10:48 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Harry Nevis - March 1, 2017 at 11:22 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Simon Moon - March 1, 2017 at 4:40 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 5:04 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 1, 2017 at 5:12 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 5:47 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 1, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 6:21 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 1, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 8:05 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 1, 2017 at 8:24 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 9:01 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 1, 2017 at 9:31 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 10:04 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 1, 2017 at 10:21 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 10:44 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 2, 2017 at 11:30 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 3, 2017 at 8:45 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 3, 2017 at 9:03 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 3, 2017 at 9:15 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 3, 2017 at 9:27 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 4, 2017 at 8:12 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 4, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Cyberman - March 4, 2017 at 6:50 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 4, 2017 at 9:41 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 6, 2017 at 9:27 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 6, 2017 at 2:22 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 4, 2017 at 2:49 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 4, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by GUBU - March 3, 2017 at 5:59 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by GUBU - March 1, 2017 at 9:01 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Cyberman - February 18, 2017 at 8:04 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by ignoramus - February 18, 2017 at 8:16 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by MysticKnight - February 20, 2017 at 7:03 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by c172 - March 1, 2017 at 9:21 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by c172 - March 1, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 12:36 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 2:48 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 11:39 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 12:08 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by SteveII - March 1, 2017 at 1:49 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Won2blv - March 2, 2017 at 1:54 am
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Edwardo Piet - March 2, 2017 at 12:11 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Won2blv - March 2, 2017 at 2:01 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 2, 2017 at 2:11 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Won2blv - March 2, 2017 at 2:27 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 2, 2017 at 4:03 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Won2blv - March 2, 2017 at 4:50 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Nonpareil - March 2, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: What would you call my new beliefs? - by Angrboda - March 4, 2017 at 10:15 pm

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