RE: Is Christianity Inherently Supportive Of Slavery And Misogyny?
July 26, 2021 at 6:36 pm
(This post was last modified: July 26, 2021 at 6:40 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
(July 26, 2021 at 5:52 pm)Angrboda Wrote:If you can't have a conversation without freaking out at me. Then really don't see any reason to continue this. Declare that a victory if you want.(July 26, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Helios Wrote: It's pretty clear
The only thing that's clear is that you don't know how to answer a simple question.
(July 26, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Helios Wrote: Not really because there is no labor relationship and no the possession of a penis isn't inherently exploitative unless we attach a power dynamic to it.
There is a labor relationship involved, that of my producing posts and alternately of him performing administrative tasks. Those are both labor relationships.
If you think there is no power dynamic attached to having a penis, then you are fucking ignorant and naive.
(July 26, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Helios Wrote: Nope talking about power imbalance in relation to labor in this case.
So not all imbalances are exploitative. At least we're getting somewhere. Therefore an imbalance is a necessary condition for exploitation, but not a sufficient condition for exploitation. What additional elements are required for exploitation. Further on you emphasize that a specific kind of power dynamic is involved. If your definition is to avoid circularity, there must be some characteristic of the specific power dynamic between labor and capital besides it simply being a relationship involving labor and capital. (Because if that is the only distinction, what you're saying boils down to, "Wage labor is exploitative because it is wage labor." Wage labor may be exploitative for many reasons but not simply for being wage labor. That would be vapid and meaningless.)
(July 26, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Helios Wrote: By the power imbalance in labor relations in this case
See above. What is the specific aspect of the wage-labor relationship that makes it exploitative?
(July 26, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Helios Wrote: Nope buying something from Amazon is not exploiting Jeff Bezos there isn't the same kind of power dynamic.
What kind of power dynamic is required? There are a billion power dynamics. For this conversation to be meaningful, the wage-labor power dynamic must fall into a category which other relationships involving power dynamics must also fall into, otherwise your answer is wage-labor is exploitative because it just is. That's ipse dixit and won't fly.
(July 26, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Helios Wrote: All your doing is getting upset for no reason. Take a deep breath and calm down.
Why don't you mind your own p's and q's instead of telling me what to do, fuckface? If I want to get upset, which I haven't done, I'll go there after my druthers.
With all due respect, go fuck yourself.
(July 26, 2021 at 5:15 pm)Helios Wrote: As I have said above By the power imbalance in labor relations and the fact workers have to sell their labor.
Neither of those makes wage-labor exploitative in and of themselves (again, presuming your meaning is not vapid). So what about those facts makes it exploitative?
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Nemo sicut deus debet esse!
“No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?”
–SHIRLEY CHISHOLM