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Oh Shit ... Here we go ...
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ...
(June 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: In his style of premature compromise, before even arriving at the negotiation table, he gave away single payer hoping, apparently, to score points with such a magnanimous concession. ...

Fair enough, but I'm of the persuasion that at least it's a start, which is more than any other president has been able to do. It wasn't like the majorities he had were overly advantageous since he couldn't even get support from some in his own party (the Blue Dogs) for some or all of the provisions you mention.

(June 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: At the end of the day, he took the massive majorities we gave him, squandered it all on his pursuit of "bipartisanship" and threw us under the bus in the process.

I think he went into office a little to naive about how hard it would be to get anything done with all the Reps and some moderate Dems working against him at every turn, and about the premature compromise stuff, he knew full well that because of the Blue Dogs and the Reps, he wouldn't be able to get the public option and the single payer stuff in there. It just wasn't going to happen. So while I'm not satisfied with the bill that we were left with, it's a start. To go from the current health care system, of which most of Washington's leaders benefit from kick backs and contributions from the industry, to something resembling that of the UK or the Netherlands in one president's term is putting the cart before the horse, I'm afraid. It simply wasn't a realistic expectation in my view.
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Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Cinjin - May 30, 2011 at 11:22 pm
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Cinjin - May 30, 2011 at 11:59 pm
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Doubting Thomas - May 31, 2011 at 10:06 am
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Cinjin - May 31, 2011 at 11:33 am
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Minimalist - May 31, 2011 at 3:21 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Faith No More - May 31, 2011 at 4:10 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Cinjin - May 31, 2011 at 4:19 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2011 at 4:27 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Cinjin - May 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by reverendjeremiah - May 31, 2011 at 4:55 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Minimalist - May 31, 2011 at 6:07 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by DeistPaladin - May 31, 2011 at 8:12 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Violet - May 31, 2011 at 11:38 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Doubting Thomas - June 1, 2011 at 12:53 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Cinjin - June 1, 2011 at 10:22 pm
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Cinjin - June 2, 2011 at 4:37 pm
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Faith No More - June 6, 2011 at 4:24 pm
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by everythingafter - June 16, 2011 at 1:18 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by DeistPaladin - June 16, 2011 at 4:51 pm
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Faith No More - June 15, 2011 at 10:33 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Epimethean - June 15, 2011 at 11:08 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Darth - June 16, 2011 at 11:37 am
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Faith No More - June 16, 2011 at 2:35 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Minimalist - June 16, 2011 at 3:52 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Minimalist - June 16, 2011 at 5:30 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by DeistPaladin - June 16, 2011 at 5:36 pm
RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Paul the Human - June 16, 2011 at 5:35 pm
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RE: Oh Shit ... Here we go ... - by Minimalist - June 16, 2011 at 7:24 pm
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