(June 13, 2015 at 10:23 am)Tonus Wrote:(June 13, 2015 at 10:03 am)Little Rik Wrote: I do the same Ton that is why i don't believe that we got something for free.And the basis of this belief is... ???
That is my point. Without a reasonable basis, your belief is a shot in the dark, and just as valid as any other such belief. Which is to say, not valid. Just like you told Apo that the sun's energy isn't free because the "sun is the result from previous forms of material lives." You can't prove this, you can only state it and claim belief. But it's not a valid basis for deciding that the mind is 'given to us for free.' You can't even provide a valid basis for your belief that the mind is 'given' to us at all. And I can only imagine what sort of lunacy you'll come up with to support your implication that nothing is ever given freely. If you need to layer one supposition after another to get to a particular statement, then that statement is useless until it is tested free of those suppositions (or until the suppositions are made valid through testing). Otherwise your beliefs are no different than what a child might make up while playing with his toys.
Prediction: You'll respond to this with more baseless assertions.
I am afraid Ton that you are making a hell of a confusion.
It all started when we were discussing about evolution.
The atheist view is that we got the consciousness that we got because of previous generation
so to me this idea come like a present from previous generation.
I said instead that i also believe in evolution but the consciousness that we got is not a present from
previous generation but it come out the effort that we make in previous lives and more consciousness will
also come because previous lives and this particular life.
So to me evolution come as an effort not as a gift.
Atheists can not prove their believe and i also can not prove mine that is why i said to you that we should
go along with what make more sense and reject the rest.
Is this concept something so out the world to understand?
So let us put in some sort of reality this sense or not sense.
Let us take a father and his son-daughter.
The kids have a similar mind to the father so you may think that the kids inherited that mind from the previous generation
and that is not a bad conclusion but what about if those kids consciousness fit in in that particular sort of evolution like when you
put a mosaic piece in the mosaic that suit them most or a piece of puzzle in the correct puzzle so it fit best?
In this case the fact that a particular kid born in a particular family has really nothing to do with the evolution of the father.
The problem with atheists is that they come to fast conclusions well before they try to analyse all possible options.
To summarize.
If atheists are correct then is possible that there is no reincarnation or anyone that look after evolution (a possible God).
If on the other hand i am correct then there is reincarnation and a possible God that look after the running of this universe.